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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 07:55 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Israel has repeatedly offered to return to 1967 borders in exchange for peace.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly announced his insistence that there can be no return to Israel's "indefensible" 1967 borders. (A peace deal "must leave Israel with security, and therefore Israel cannot return to the indefensible 1967 lines".)
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 08:07 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Since there is not going to be a peace deal, it is reasonable for Israel to keep the land for themselves.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 09:39 am
@oralloy,
that is neither legal nor reasoknable
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 09:49 am
@MontereyJack,
Wrong again. The world is asking Israel to give land to the Palestinians ONLY if Israel gets peace in return.

"No peace for Israel" means "no land for the Palestinians."
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 10:46 am
@oralloy,
you don't speal fpor the world.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 10:59 am
@MontereyJack,
I know. Only progressives have the audacity to pretend that their views represent the world.

But the world does speak for itself, and I can and do accurately relay to you what the world has to say.

I can assure you that "Land For Peace" does NOT mean Israel gives up land without getting peace in return.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 11:08 am
@oralloy,
You've never spoken accurately about the world since you've posted here. what makes you think you are now?

the whole peace preocess has never represented palestinianb rights or wants, but some european fantasy, or american or israeli fantasy, which is why it's never gone anywhere. You're caught up in that fantasy too, which is why you've never gone anywhere either.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 12:00 pm
@MontereyJack,
That peace process was the only way that the world ever asked Israel to give land to the Palestinians.

So like I said, Israel says thanks for helping them to keep all that extra land that now will never go to the Palestinians.

Israel would never have been able to keep it without the rejection of the peace process.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 03:54 pm
@oralloy,
startomg;ile they may finally kick bibi to the curb, which may finally let some ratonality return to israeli politics. All you're ding is guaranteeing that intifadas will continue into the foreseeable future, and there was a quantum leap in missile tech this time around. next gen they';ll be cvheaper and even more plentiful and the tech wil hsave improved as it does, and they won't land in empty fields. and it'll be on the empty heads of your cohorts.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 06:36 pm
@oralloy,
Yes I have.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 07:18 pm
@InfraBlue,
Nope. You cannot link to a single post where you have ever provided evidence for your imaginary right of return.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 07:20 pm
@MontereyJack,
Israeli politics are already rational.

You already guaranteed unending intifada when you pledged that Israel can never have peace and must be destroyed.

So no. Nothing that I do (and nothing that Israel does) can make that situation any worse than you've already made it.

Luckily however, Israel is strong and is able to smash the Palestinians relentlessly whenever they start firing rockets at Israel.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 09:02 pm
@oralloy,
9000 or so rockets sand more on the way say your argument is nonsense, and if the israelis don't stop trsmpling onpalestinian rights, by the ti,e the next intifada happens, a super accurate guidance system, quite probsbly based on one of your vido games, woll cost $4.95 qne will be able to reduce the knesset to smoking ruin, as the tech gets better. MAD is almost here in the israeliu-poalestinianb conflict. better make peace now. it's the israelis that have spent 70 years screwing around, not the pals.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 10:19 pm
@MontereyJack,
Nice try, but threats only work in changing someone's behavior if they can avoid the threat by changing their behavior.

You've already pledged that Israel will be attacked no matter what they do.

Since the rockets will be launched no matter what Israel does, they may as well keep all the land.

Better for Israel to "keep the land and have the rockets launched at them" than to "give up the land and then have the same rockets launched at them anyway".
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 10:20 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
better make peace now.

Israel has been offering peace for decades.

It is only you and the Palestinians who refuse to make peace.

Unfortunately there is no way to force you and the Palestinians to make peace, so here we are.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 30 May, 2021 10:22 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
MAD is almost here in the israeli-palestinian conflict.

Whatever the Palestinians do to Israel, Israel will do back to the Palestinians a hundred times over.

And since the world recognizes that the Palestinians are the aggressors, the world will always sit back and let Israel do it.

Invariably there is a point at which the Palestinians have been smashed so brutally that they are willing to stop launching rockets.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2021 03:54 am
Netanyahu is shitting himself right now. The only thing stopping him from standing trial is being prime minister.

Now the political spectrum across Israel is uniting in a government of National Unity.

They don’t agree on much, but they all hate Netanyahu.

Maybe he will get a cell next to Trump’s.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2021 03:48 pm
@oralloy,
Yep. I have linked to a post where I have provided evidence for the right of return.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2021 03:49 pm
@InfraBlue,
You're lying. You have never provided any such evidence.

And that's because there is no such evidence.

And that's because the right of return does not exist.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 31 May, 2021 10:51 pm
@oralloy,
bollocks.
 

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