Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@oralloy,

The Nazi artwork argument means that the Palestinians have a claim to the land that was stolen from them. that does not help your case.

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@oralloy,

and land for peace does not address the other strong grievances against israel which the israelis have spent seventy years refusing to settle.

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@MontereyJack,

What grievances are those?

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

The Nazi artwork argument means that the Palestinians have a claim to the land that was stolen from them. that does not help your case.

Sure it does. It shows that the Israelis have not lost their right to live in their ancient homeland.

I do not deny that the Palestinians have a valid claim. I only point out that they are required to make peace in order to receive their claim.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Ancient Israel does not go back to the very beginning. It's twenty or thirty thousand years from the very beginning, and it was merely one of a number of conquerors of the same land and the same people, nor better or worse and not as long lasting as some pretty evanescent in truth.

The Israelis are directly descended from the ancient Canaanites, who were descended from the original settlers in the region.

MontereyJack wrote:

International law does not require peace only on one party's terms, which is all that modern-day Israel is offering

International law requires the Palestinians to make peace and end their endless war of annihilation against Israel.

MontereyJack wrote:

against people who would seem to have a stronger claim to the land as it exists today.

Israel's claim is equally as strong.

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@oralloy,

homo Neanderthal is were the original settlers/ Homo sap probably drove them to extinction, arguably the first genocide. Canaanites were johnny come latelies, and the Palestinians as youu have agreed are their direct descendants. As you have agreed, they hould have the right of return, which israeilis deny them. Int. law does not require peace when the offered terms screw you.

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@oralloy,

what Nazi stolen art shows is that the palestinians have a right to live in their ancient homeland which rhe israelis deny them.

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@MontereyJack,

Israel does not deny them anything. The Palestinians were offered land.

The only thing the Palestinians needed to do to claim their land was comply with international law and make peace with Israel.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

homo Neanderthal is were the original settlers/ Homo sap probably drove them to extinction, arguably the first genocide. Canaanites were johnny come latelies,

The Canaanites were the first humans to settle the area.

MontereyJack wrote:

and the Palestinians as you have agreed are their direct descendants. As you have agreed, they should have the right of return, which Israelis deny them.

Israel did not deny them anything. If the Palestinians had been willing to make peace, they would have received their land.

MontereyJack wrote:

Int. law does not require peace when the offered terms screw you.

Requiring the Palestinians to comply with international law and make peace would hardly have screwed them.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

The Canaanites were the first humans to settle the area.

Natufian hunter-gatherers were there earlier than the 'Canaaites', at around 10,000 BCE. Jericho has evidence of settlement dating back to that time.
The settlement of En Esur (the "New York City of the early Bronze Age") is younger, but pre-Canaanites as well as some smaller other settlements.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Is there any reason to think these hunter gatherers were not ancestors of the Canaanites?

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@oralloy,

The Canaanites are descended from those Stone Age settlers who mixed with newcomers from what is now Iran.
According to researchers, the Canaanites did mix later a little bit with their neighbours. Modern-day Lebanese ("Palestine") populations are largely Canaanite, the DNA showed, with a bit of Eastern hunter-gatherer and Eurasian Steppe influence that got added to the mix some 3,000 years ago.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

The Canaanites are descended from those Stone Age settlers who mixed with newcomers

OK then.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

from what is now Iran.

The latest research suggests that the newcomers came from the Caucuses.

https://able2know.org/topic/548697-1

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

The latest research suggests that the newcomers came from the Caucuses.

That report says that the Levantines (living in the Levant, modern-day Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel and Palestine) were descended from a mix of locals and migrants from Iran or the Caucasus.
These Canaanites were often in conflict with the Israelite tribes.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

These Canaanites were often in conflict with the Israelite tribes.

Those Canaanites were the Israelite tribes.

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@oralloy,

Sometimes you are really funny!

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Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you— 2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally.[a] Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

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@bobsal u1553115,

God had ordered the Israelites to slaughter the apparently sinful Canaanites, saying: "You shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them."

And, according to a passage in the Old Testament's Book of Joshua, they did just that:
"Thus Joshua struck all the land, the hill country and the Negev and the lowland and the slopes and all their kings. He left no survivor, but he utterly destroyed all who breathed, just as the Lord, the God of Israel, had commanded…. He left nothing undone of all that the Lord had commanded Moses." (Joshua. 10:40, 11:15)

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Sometimes you are really funny!

Funny or not, reality is reality.

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@oralloy,

not when it's unreality.

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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

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