Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@oralloy,

Nope.

@InfraBlue,

Wrong again. Countries have always controlled who can enter their territory. It's not something that modern countries suddenly invented or anything.

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@oralloy,

https://www.uscis.gov/refugeescreening Refugee Processing and Security Screening
This Web page provides information about the security screening and background checks required by the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) as well as the refugee resettlement process. The USRAP is an interagency effort which includes a number of governmental and non-governmental partners both abroad and in the United States.

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General Refugee Process
USRAP Screening
USCIS Interview
USCIS National Security Processing
Enhanced FDNS Review (EFR)
CBP Screening

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@oralloy,

Nyet.

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@InfraBlue,

Wrong again. Countries have always controlled who can enter their territory. It's not something that modern countries suddenly invented or anything.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

This Web page provides information about the security screening and background checks required by the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) as well as the refugee resettlement process.

So in other words, the US controls who can enter our territory.

Israel controls who can enter their territory too. Palestinians are not welcome unless they are already Israeli citizens.

Israelis object to having their children murdered it seems.

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@oralloy,

Palestinians object to having their children killed by Israelis too, it seems https://ifamericaknew.org/stat/children.html

Quote:

of the Conflict on Children
2,175 Palestinian children and 134 Israeli children
have been killed since September 29, 2000.

Hover over each bar for exact numbers. Save chart as image.

“The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers.”
- Catherine Cook

Source: Remember These Children, a coalition of groups calling for an end to the killing of children and a fair resolution of the conflict.
We refer to B'Tselem (last updated January 31, 2018) and IMEMC as our current sources for children's deaths since Remember These Children has not been updated since July 21, 2014.
To see names, photos and more information for the Israeli and Palestinian children who have been killed, please visit our new website Israel-Palestine Timeline.
Remember These Children's list of victims does not yet mention all of the 527 children killed by Israel in during its 2014 assault on Gaza in the summer.)
It also appears that the site has not documented a number of the Palestinian children killed during Israel's Dec 27, 2008 - Jan 18, 2009 assault on Gaza. They report only 269 of the Palestinian children killed during that time (and an additional 9 who later died from wounds inflicted during that time period). B'Tselem has documented that Israel killed 318 Palestinian children in Gaza during this time. We do not doubt the validity of this higher number as they are extremely careful in their documentation.
Note: A child is a person aged 17 or younger.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Palestinians object to having their children killed by Israelis too, it seems

If Palestinians don't want their children to be killed in self defense, then Palestinians should stop teaching their children to murder people.

Quote:

"The majority of these [Palestinian] children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes. Sixty-four percent of children killed during the first six months of 2003 died as a result of Israeli air and ground attacks, or from indiscriminate fire from Israeli soldiers."
- Catherine Cook

Nonsense. The majority of the times that a Palestinian child is killed, that Palestinian child was attacking people with a deadly weapon.

In the rare instances when an innocent Palestinian child is accidentally killed, it was a result of the Israelis defending themselves from some other murder attempt by the Palestinians.

If Palestinians don't want their children to be accidentally killed when people defend themselves from Palestinian murder operations, then Palestinians should stop trying to murder people.

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@oralloy,

So a Palestinian kid is twelve times more likely to be killed by an Israeli than an Israeli kid is to be killed by a Palestinian. You seem to have no problem with innocent Americans being killed in the US. I see your callousness extends to the Middle East too. Look to your own side, oralloy.

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@oralloy,

Btsele is there, oralloy. They compile the statistics. They're Jewish. You're 3000 miles away in the backwoods of Michigan. You're just blowing smoke.
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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

So a Palestinian kid is twelve times more likely to be killed by an Israeli than an Israeli kid is to be killed by a Palestinian.

Given that the Palestinian kids are murderers, and the Israeli kids are innocent victims, that ratio should be drastically increased.

It should be zero Israelis killed. And the number of Palestinians killed should be however many it takes to prevent any Israelis from being killed.

MontereyJack wrote:

You seem to have no problem with innocent Americans being killed in the US.

Nonsense. Murderers are hardly innocent.

MontereyJack wrote:

I see your callousness extends to the Middle East too. Look to your own side, oralloy.

Wanting to see people protected from murdering thugs is hardly callous.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Btsele is there, oralloy. They compile the statistics. They're Jewish.

That doesn't make them right.

How much of their statistics are based on Palestinian lies? Most of these supposed dead Palestinian children probably never even existed.

And most of those that did exist were killed in self defense as they tried to murder innocent people.

MontereyJack wrote:

You're 3000 miles away in the backwoods of Michigan. You're just blowing smoke.

No, I'm pointing out facts. And facts make leftists sad.

I did address the few innocent Palestinians that were accidentally killed too.

I pointed out the fact that if Israel didn't have to defend themselves from Palestinian murder operations, those accidental deaths would never have occurred.

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@oralloy,

2000 "accidenta"l deaths? Doesn't wash, oralloy.They have the ecidence of their eyes. You just have the biased accounts of Israeli apologists.

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@oralloy,

Nuh-uh.

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@InfraBlue,

Wrong again. Countries have always controlled who can enter their territory. It's not something that modern countries suddenly invented or anything.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

2000 "accidental" deaths? Doesn't wash, oralloy.

Indeed. Most of the supposed "deaths" never happened.

Most of the deaths that really did happen were perpetrators who were killed in self defense while trying to murder innocent people.

But as I said, a high ratio of Palestinians killed would actually actually a good thing. It would show that Israel is taking steps to minimize the number of Israeli deaths.

The fact that any Israelis at all are killed shows that Israel needs to be more assertive in their defenses. Israel should step up their defenses until zero Israelis are killed, no matter how many Palestinians have to die for that to happen.

MontereyJack wrote:

They have the evidence of their eyes.

No they don't. All they have is a bunch of Palestinian lies.

MontereyJack wrote:

You just have the biased accounts of Israeli apologists.

Not at all. This has been covered by the media over the years.

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@oralloy,

Non.

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@InfraBlue,

Wrong again. Countries have always controlled who can enter their territory. It's not something that modern countries suddenly invented or anything.

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@MontereyJack,

Ollie agrees with Israelis killing u s citizens too. He is an equal opportunity killer. Guns, tractors, tanks. Its all the same to him as long as its an Israeli.

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Trump peace package for Middle East likely to stop short of Palestinian statehood

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-peace-package-for-middle-east-likely-to-stop-short-of-palestinian-statehood/2019/04/14/aebda770-5d2e-11e9-842d-7d3ed7eb3957_story.html

"Arab officials familiar with Kushner's sales pitches said he has offered no specifics but suggested that the plan turned on economic opportunities for Palestinians and an enshrining of Israeli control of disputed territory."

"Kushner and other U.S. officials have linked peace and economic development to Arab recognition of Israel and acceptance of a version of the status quo on Palestinian 'autonomy,' as opposed to 'sovereignty,' people who have spoken with the Kushner team said."

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Personally I'd just deport all the Palestinians to Gaza at gunpoint and call the Gaza Strip the Palestinian state.

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