@perennialloner,
perennialloner wrote:She's right, though.
No. There was nothing "right" about her Nazi hate speech.
perennialloner wrote:Just because you may think Palestinians are bad people, that does not make it right for them to effectively be non-citizens. That is an injustice.
Nonsense. Is it an injustice that Mexicans and Canadians are not allowed to automatically become US citizens?
Palestinians have no right to become citizens of another country.
perennialloner wrote:What type of universe are you people living in where it's okay for people to be subjugated just because you think they are at fault.
The Palestinians are not being subjugated.
perennialloner wrote:Israel has the power to do something that Palestinians don't, and that is actually bring the conflict to an end.
Yes, but that would involve using force to seize the parts of the West Bank that Israel wants to keep for themselves. And that makes the liberals whine.
Someday though Israel will finally lose their patience and do just that. I hope I live to see it.
perennialloner wrote:I think people make the mistake of viewing this whole messed up situation as a conflict of two sides, two equals, who must BOTH equally compromise.
That's not a mistake. If there is to be a negotiated solution, both sides must indeed compromise.
perennialloner wrote:Where are the two equals? There's Israel, whose government controls what happens to Palestinians, both in legislation and military action, whereas no government controls the Palestinians. There's no central command. Palestinians are literally a bunch of angry people throwing rocks or those with more sophisticated means bombing who they are taught from birth is their enemy. That is Palestine. By definition, Palestinians lack agency, so how are they to take responsibility. This is the crux of the problem. There are people who want to wholly blame a people who have no authority and do not act as a unit for a very complex problem. There's no resolution in sight with that approach. Palestinians are not in a position to compromise. There's no real consensus among them, and any attempts at compromise would be seen as betrayals for this reason.
That is indeed a problem. As for blaming the Palestinians for the problem, that is a natural reaction to people unfairly blaming Israel for that problem.
When people unfairly blame Israel for the fact that the Palestinians aren't making peace, it is natural for fair-minded people to recoil at the injustice of blaming Israel. And the natural response is to point out that it is the Palestinians who are refusing to make peace.
The best way to get people to stop condemning the Palestinians is to take all the people who condemn Israel, and incarcerate them at a facility like Guantanamo so no one will have to listen to their hate (except for the guards perhaps). Once people no longer have to defend Israel from hate speech, perhaps talk can shift to how to solve the problem of the Palestinians' lack of central authority.
perennialloner wrote:Israel holds the cards,
Yes, but the rest of the world is pressuring Israel to not impose a military solution. Israel will have to lose their temper and start shooting before they are able to play those cards.
perennialloner wrote:and I'd argue the responsibility, to compromise.
Israel has been offering to compromise for decades now.
perennialloner wrote:It has the opportunity to alleviate the suffering of people who have suffered long enough if it were just to let go of national and racial pride, even just a teensy bit.
I doubt that. The Palestinians will not stop suffering until they agree to compromise with Israel.