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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
InfraBlue
 
  5  
Wed 26 Aug, 2015 10:28 am
@Foofie,
The Holocaust does not justify the Zionists' repression of the Palestinian peoples, nor do the Zionists' psychosocial issues.
georgeob1
 
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Wed 26 Aug, 2015 10:49 am
@InfraBlue,
There are many things going on in the world today that appear to be unjustified. Chinese suppression of the Tibetans and Ughirs ; lingering caste issues in India; political suppression of the white population in Zimbabwe; the destruction of the Venezuelan economy and political freedom by an inept authoritarian socialist government; war and aggeession in Eastern Ukraine; the slaughter of Christians, Kurds and Shia Moslems by Sunni fanatics across the Middle East, and many other issues.

The last several centuries were full of unjustified acts committed by just about every country in the world.

Where do you place the Israeli Palestinian question among all that?
Foofie
 
  0  
Wed 26 Aug, 2015 11:03 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:


Notice that after the Civil War, in the U.S., Southerners were allowed to live peacefully to restock the 600,000 (current estimates show that the Confederacy actually lost 300,000 more than reported since Reconstruction) Southern men lost. Not so for the Jews apparently.




My bad math. The Confederacy, as stated in some interview I saw on tv, lost a total of 500,000. The Union, 300,000. It totaled to 800,000. It used to be quoted as a total of 600,000; 300,000 on each side. Numbers had been previously skewed so as not to offend the South, it was said.
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Foofie
 
  0  
Wed 26 Aug, 2015 11:06 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

The Holocaust does not justify the Zionists' repression of the Palestinian peoples, nor do the Zionists' psychosocial issues.


So, you would have been marching with MLK?
revelette2
 
  1  
Wed 26 Aug, 2015 11:22 am
@Foofie,
All right, I give, what does marching with Martin Luther King have to do with this issue?

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 26 Aug, 2015 12:45 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
And, note that Germans don't live in the Sudetenland.
Okay, they are Czech citizens now. And the Alpine Germans are Austrians today while the Balkan Germans are Hungarians.
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Wed 26 Aug, 2015 01:08 pm
@georgeob1,
Seeing as how the Israel Palestine conflict and the other turmoil in that region are a result of direct US and Western intervention there, and violence is perpetrated against the US and the West for our complicity in these matters I'd say it places fairly high among everything that you've listed. 9/11 wasn't perpetrated in the name of Robert Mugabe's human rights violations, or Tibet's struggle for more autonomy in China for that matter.
georgeob1
 
  -1  
Wed 26 Aug, 2015 02:24 pm
@InfraBlue,
I believe your argument doesn't hold up with a longer or more comprehensive view of history. It appears you also believe that 9/11 was a deserved retaliation for our past wrongdoing. The facts don't support that either. There are always others who wish any prominent nation harm for a variety of reasons, both good and bad. We will find out soon enough if kissing the asses of our enemies is an effective form of deterance. It hasn't worked well for others who have tried it.
InfraBlue
 
  4  
Wed 26 Aug, 2015 04:51 pm
@georgeob1,
Oh yeah, we're the cowboys in white hats. We're faultless. I think your view of history is delusionally self-serving. Without any judgment call, 9/11 was plain and simply an example of cause and effect. I think peace is preferable to strife, and if nations--who in the greater scope of things act very much like mafia organizations with each other--can get their own without too much blood letting, the better for the world, e.g. Nixon's ass kissing of China.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 26 Aug, 2015 06:14 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The Holocaust does not justify the Zionists' repression of the Palestinian peoples, nor do the Zionists' psychosocial issues.

"The Zionists" are not repressing the Palestinians. All they do is prevent Palestinians from murdering innocent people.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 26 Aug, 2015 06:15 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
9/11 wasn't perpetrated in the name of Robert Mugabe's human rights violations, or Tibet's struggle for more autonomy in China for that matter.

9/11 was perpetrated in the name of Islamic aggression.

Muslims perpetrated 9/11 for the same reason that Muslims splash strong acid in the faces of little girls for trying to learn how to read.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 26 Aug, 2015 06:15 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Without any judgment call, 9/11 was plain and simply an example of cause and effect.

Cause: Islam

Effect: Dead Civilians.

Solution: Drone Strikes
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InfraBlue
 
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Wed 26 Aug, 2015 10:22 pm
@ oralloy

Yada, yada, yada
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Thu 27 Aug, 2015 09:27 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

@ oralloy

Yada, yada, yada


A remarkably informative and insightful argument.
InfraBlue
 
  3  
Thu 27 Aug, 2015 10:34 am
@georgeob1,
It fits his responses.
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Foofie
 
  0  
Thu 27 Aug, 2015 11:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
And, note that Germans don't live in the Sudetenland.
Okay, they are Czech citizens now. And the Alpine Germans are Austrians today while the Balkan Germans are Hungarians.


Shouldn't all nations get a quota of ethnic Germans to serve as role models of diligent workers? Is it fair that Germany, the nation, gets to monopolize Germans for their economy? Thank goodness the U.S. has folks of German descent. I'm not being sarcastic! And, the Lutheran German-Americans marry Scandanavians, while the Catholic German-Americans marry Irish. Sharing their DNA for the betterment of the U.S. nationality; what good citizens.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 27 Aug, 2015 11:48 am
@Foofie,
These terms I used are those from the Medieval ages (±1000), when those regions were settled by Germans.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 27 Aug, 2015 12:03 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
@ oralloy
Yada, yada, yada

I've long noted that the Far Left are sympathetic to the Islamic terrorists who conducted the 9/11 attacks, and as such belong in cells at Guantanamo next to their terrorist buddies.
revelette2
 
  2  
Thu 27 Aug, 2015 12:49 pm
Jewish settlers take over homes in Arab part of Jerusalem

Quote:
JERUSALEM (AP) — Ultra-nationalist Israelis took over a four-story building in the heart of an Arab neighborhood in east Jerusalem on Thursday, raising fears of fresh violence in the tense area.

A small group of activists from the Ateret Cohanim settler organization moved into the rundown white stone building. It was the latest in a wave of settler advances since nationalist Jews began buying up properties in densely populated Palestinian areas two decades ago.

The building is located in Silwan, a rundown neighborhood that is home to several hundred Jewish residents and some 50,000 Palestinians. Israeli soldiers were guarding the latest wave of settlers.

"I have 11 people inside the house, where should I go?" said Jawaf Abu Sneineh, the only Palestinian resident who has still refused to vacate the building. He said he already paid the year's rent.

Abu Sneineh said his children were afraid of the Jewish settlers suddenly living above them.

Israel captured east Jerusalem, along with the West Bank and Gaza Strip, in the 1967 Mideast war.

It subsequently annexed east Jerusalem in a move that is not internationally recognized. The Palestinians claim east Jerusalem as the capital of a future state. East Jerusalem, particularly the Old City and its sensitive holy sites, is often a flashpoint of violence.

Silwan is adjacent to the Old City, and Israel has developed an area there called the City of David, where Jewish tradition holds that King David established Jerusalem as Judaism's central holy city.

Jewish real estate deals in the contentious Silwan area have long been murky. Purchases are often made through intermediaries, which those involved says protects the Arab sellers from being attacked by their neighbors. Many cases end up in court, with Palestinians claiming the municipality and legal process are biased in favor of settlers.

Ateret Cohanim says it legally purchased the properties. Palestinian residents say they are being unfairly evicted and illegally bullied into leaving.

Daniel Luria, executive director of Ateret Cohanim, said there are now about 100 Jews living in five buildings in the Batan al-Hawa area of Silwan, where the settlers moved in on Thursday.

Tensions were high as male residents and children loitered in the streets, discussing the latest acquisition.

Abdallah Abu Nab, a resident, said Jewish settlers had been bothering him and his brother for weeks, filing eviction orders that can lead to fines and offering money to try and force them out.

Jerusalem's Arabs, while free to live wherever they want, say they often encounter resistance or discrimination when trying to buy or rent properties in Jewish areas in the city.

Past takeovers have led to clashes and violent Palestinian demonstrations.

oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 27 Aug, 2015 01:39 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:
the City of David, where Jewish tradition holds that King David established Jerusalem as Judaism's central holy city.

Shame on the Associated Press. History and Archaeology hold that this is Judaism's central holy city, established by King David.
 

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