Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

I rigorously oppose the Israeli government's maltreatment of the Palestinians;

yesterday, they bombed a very tall apartment building

with some people killed and scores wounded.

So she thinks her survival of the Holocaust means that it is wrong for present day Israelis to defend themselves from people who try to murder them?

And as I said before, we were treated as sub-human. Your conscience didn't bother you when you mistreated these creatures because they were not regarded as human, and so I feel very strongly that that should never happen again through any other human being.

oralloy wrote:

So she thinks her survival of the Holocaust means that it is wrong for present day Israelis to defend themselves from people who try to murder them?

Edith Bell wrote:

And as I said before, we were treated as sub-human. Your conscience didn't bother you when you mistreated these creatures because they were not regarded as human, and so I feel very strongly that that should never happen again through any other human being.

The only thing that Israel is doing is defending themselves from an aggressor who refuses to ever make peace.

oralloy wrote:

The only thing that Israel is doing is defending themselves from an aggressor who refuses to ever make peace.

The situation is very very bad, but you just gave me a laugh with this crap!

I understand that the proper term for a Jew who spouts anti-Semitism or Nazism is: "Self Hating Jew".

Truth and reality are hardly crap, no matter how discomforting you might happen to find them.

oralloy wrote:

I understand that the proper term for a Jew who spouts anti-Semitism or Nazism is: "Self Hating Jew".

And this means, you categorise Jewish Holocaust survivors in that group? Interesting.

If a Jewish Holocaust survivor were to spout anti-Semitism and even Nazism, I would indeed likely categorize that particular person as a Self Hating Jew.

You consider such as "to spout anti-Semitism and even Nazism"????

Who else can better compare than those who suffered .... and fortunately survived????

YOU ARE THE NAZI HERE!

I don't think that he is stupid.

Holocaust deniers - might be oralloy belongs to those as well.

Israel to expropriate 400 hectares of West Bank, army says

August 31, 2014

Jerusalem (AFP) -- Israel announced plans on Sunday to expropriate 400 hectares (988 acres) of Palestinian land in the Bethlehem area in the south of the occupied West Bank, the military said.

"On the instructions of the political echelon... 4,000 dunams at (the settlement of) Gevaot is declared as state land," the army department charged with administering civil affairs in occupied territory said, adding that concerned parties have 45 days to appeal.

It said that the step stemmed from political decisions taken after the June killing of three Israeli teenagers snatched from a roadside in the same area, known to Israelis as Gush Etzion settlement bloc.

Israel has named three Palestinians from the southern West Bank city of Hebron as being behind the murders.

The Etzion settlements council welcomed Sunday's announcement, and said it was the prelude to expansion of the current Gevaot settlement.

It "paves the way for the new city of Gevaot", a statement said.

"The goal of the murderers of those three youths was to sow fear among us, to disrupt our daily lives and to call into doubt our right to the land," it said. "Our response is to strengthen settlement".

Settlement watchdog Peace Now expressed alarm.

"As far as we know, this declaration is unprecedented in its scope since the 1980s and can dramatically change the reality in the Gush Etzion and the Bethlehem areas," it said in a statement.

"Peace Now views this declaration as proof that Prime Minister (Benjamin) Netanyahu does not aspire for a new 'Diplomatic Horizon', but rather he continues to put obstacles to the two-state vision and promote a one-state solution.

"By declaring another 4,000 dunams as state land, the Israeli government stabs (Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas) and the moderate Palestinian forces in the back, proving again that violence delivers Israeli concessions while non-violence results in settlement expansion," it said.

Peace Now official Hagit Ofran told AFP that the legal basis for such land confiscation was an 1858 ruling by the region's Ottoman rulers.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is on the Israeli side (meaning that it was destined to end up as Israeli land regardless).

It'll be more noteworthy if it is on the Palestinian side of the Security Fence. The question then will be whether the Security Fence will be rerouted to encompass the new area.

I'm guessing this land is on the Israeli side however. Much ado about nothing.

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Some 4,000 dunams (988 acres) in the Etzion settlement bloc near Bethlehem were declared "state land, on the instructions of the political echelon" by the military-run Civil Administration.
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Construction of a major settlement at the location, known as "Gevaot", has been mooted by Israel since 2000. Last year, the government invited bids for the building of 1,000 housing units at the site.
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Some 500,000 Israelis live among 2.4 million Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, territory that the Jewish state captured in the 1967 Six-Day War.

Gush Etzion is a cluster of Jewish settlements south of Jerusalem.

I'm familiar with it. It is entirely on the Israeli side of the Security Fence.

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