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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 10:58 am
@izzythepush,
That pause for peace didn't last one day.
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Gaza truce over, Israel soldier captured, 50 dead in Rafah shelling
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 11:17 am
@worldtraveler24,
My position on Israel is quite clear, end the occupation, and the siege on Gaza.

As for that nonsense about protecting democracy, Israel is a democracy in the same way apartheid South Africa was a democracy. Most of the people governed by Israel do not have a meaningful vote. The Palestinian Authority does not have the powers of a real state or even an autonomous region. The Scottish Parliament has considerably more power. Having said that, Palestinian elections are conducted democratically.

The West has a track record of undermining democracy in the ME, propping up unpopular dictators/monarchs as long as they're pro Western. This stifling of democratic moderates has lead to the rise of Islamic extremism, who are seen by many as the only credible opposition to Western hegemony.

This is what the West did to democratic ME governments. From Wiki.

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The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup, was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name 'Operation Boot') and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project).

Mossadegh had sought to audit the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now BP) and to renegotiate the terms of the company's access to Iranian oil reserves. Upon refusal of the AIOC to cooperate with the Iranian government, the parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize the assets of the company and expel their representatives from the country. Following the coup in 1953, a military government under General Fazlollah Zahedi was formed which allowed Mohammad-Rezā Shāh Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran (Persian for an Iranian king), to effectively rule the country as an absolute monarch. He relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

Western big business' interests trumps democracy any day. And that's the reason America supports Israel. Most of the US$3 billion military aid given annually to Israel ends up in the pockets of American arms manufacturers who reinvest some of that money keeping certain senators and congressmen in their pockets.

There's quite a few adjectives that could describe that process, but "democratic" is not one of them.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 11:36 am
@izzythepush,
All very good points, izzy. It's too bad most Americans are ignorant about our domestic and international (often times illegal) actions by our government.

If they are aware, they're not willing to correct it.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 11:47 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

All very good points, izzy. It's too bad most Americans are ignorant about our domestic and international (often times illegal) actions by our government.

If they are aware, they're not willing to correct it.


You are aware...or you say you are, ci.

Why don't you correct it!
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Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 12:21 pm
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Cicerone said: It's too bad most Americans are ignorant about our domestic and international (often times illegal) actions by our government.
If they are aware, they're not willing to correct it.

Same applies here in Britain, but we correct it by voting for whoever we think WILL correct it, for example the tough firebrand UKIP party is currently generating massive support..Smile
Sadly American politics seem to be a two-horse race between the stodgy tired old Reps and Dems, and they don't seem to be much different from each other.

PS- Americans must like Obama because after 4 years they voted him in again for a second term..
buttflake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 01:35 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
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PS- Americans must like Obama because after 4 years they voted him in again for a second term..


Americans like hand outs better. And that is what Obama is all about.
worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 02:31 pm
@buttflake,
It is the socialistic garbage that that clown has fed all of the lower income earners. They live paycheck to paycheck and look for any freebie that is offered.

Unfortunately their parents never told them that when you get something "free" there is always a cost later.

worldtraveler24
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 02:33 pm
@izzythepush,
Ok, if that were to happen, what happens then to Hamas and what then happens to Israel?

Where does each side take its place?
Germlat
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 02:40 pm
@worldtraveler24,
You're an ignorant jerk....low-income earners....
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 02:46 pm
@worldtraveler24,
You really need to ask? You can't have been following things very closely. That's pretty much been established.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 02:49 pm
@Germlat,
WT is one of those "Christians," who would nail Christ back up were he ever to return. There's more Mammon than Christ about the horseshit he preaches, castigating the poor, forgetting that Jesus hung around those same people WT vilifies.

Camels and eyes of needles is something they conveniently ignore.
buttflake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 02:55 pm
@izzythepush,
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Camels and eyes of needles is something they conveniently ignore.


Kind of like Islam in the UK.
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Germlat
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 02:58 pm
@izzythepush,
I guess I haven't paid attention to this poster.
buttflake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 02:59 pm


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Hamas Rockets Exploding in Gaza Strip


JERUSALEM—More than a third of the 140 rockets fired by Hamas at [quote]Israel yesterday fell short and exploded inside the Gaza Strip, according to the Israeli Army spokesman’s office.

Rocket shortfalls have increased, according to Israeli military sources. They attribute these misfires to the intense pressure Hamas rocket squads face from Israeli air and artillery attacks, as well as poorly assembled rockets.

Some 2,000 rockets have been fired at Israel since the fighting between Israel and Hamas began three weeks ago. Of these, say army officers, about 300 have fallen inside the Gaza Strip. The army spokesman said shortfalls were responsible for explosions three days ago at a hospital and a refugee camp that took dozens of lives. Hamas has denied the accusation and blamed Israel for the blasts.[/quote]

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/hamas-rockets-exploding-in-gaza-strip/
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 03:02 pm
@Germlat,
Until now he's stayed on the religious threads, and you can be forgiven for not paying much attention to them.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 03:05 pm
@buttflake,
You know nothing about Islam in the UK you noxious pustule, your chimplistic brain just laps up the bullshit you read on your Nazi websites.

Now get back in the sewer.
buttflake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 03:10 pm
@izzythepush,
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You know nothing about Islam in the UK you noxious pustule, your chimplistic brain just laps up the bullshit you read on your Nazi websites.


I know they are taking over your schools and your elected leaders are cowards. That is what you should know, and probably do. But are scared shitless to talk about it.
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buttflake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 03:17 pm
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The Left Hate Israel Because It Is Everything They Despise: Capitalist, Conservative and Patriotic

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What is it about Israel that arouses so much anger? Is it because it's a theocratic state, committed to destroying its neighbour, which uses civilians as human shields, tortures and kills its political opponents, persecutes homosexuals, and holds freedom of speech and the rule of law in contempt?

No, hang on, that’s Hamas, and we all know they're the good guys of the piece. No matter how appallingly they treat their own people and how many innocents they blow up, shoot or kidnap, nothing can blot their copybook

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Israel is a distillation of everything leftists hate about Western nations: capitalist, conservative and fiercely patriotic. It is a projection of their own prejudices about the supposed injustices of societies that cherish the ‘wrong’ values and the ‘wrong’ people. They don't share the Palestinians' spiritual beliefs, but they share a common enemy. Indeed, if Israel was removed from the equation, its critics would have little good to say about Gaza or Hamas. Theirs is a marriage of convenience.

The Left’s use of the Israeli-Arab situation as a platform for moral preening, and as a metaphor for its own hang-ups, blinds it to the evils of Hamas and the rest of the Muslim Brotherhood. It seems oblivious to the ideological conflict between Islamic fundamentalists and Western progressives, because it persists in regarding the former as pet victims of the latter. It may discover the hard way that it is giving comfort to an enemy that makes no distinction between liberal hand-wringers and any other infidels.

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Israel is a distillation of everything leftists hate about Western nations: capitalist, conservative and fiercely patriotic. It is a projection of their own prejudices about the supposed injustices of societies that cherish the ‘wrong’ values and the ‘wrong’ people. They don't share the Palestinians' spiritual beliefs, but they share a common enemy. Indeed, if Israel was removed from the equation, its critics would have little good to say about Gaza or Hamas. Theirs is a marriage of convenience.

The Left’s use of the Israeli-Arab situation as a platform for moral preening, and as a metaphor for its own hang-ups, blinds it to the evils of Hamas and the rest of the Muslim Brotherhood. It seems oblivious to the ideological conflict between Islamic fundamentalists and Western progressives, because it persists in regarding the former as pet victims of the latter. It may discover the hard way that it is giving comfort to an enemy that makes no distinction between liberal hand-wringers and any other infidels.


http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/07/31/The-Left-Hate-Israel-Because-It-Is-Everything-They-Despise-Capitalist-Conservative-and-Patriotic
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buttflake
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 03:30 pm
@izzythepush,
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Islam in the UK


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"We don't debate unprofessional councillors, unprincipled journalists, and self-righteous community organizers; we turn the tables on them": this is how British planning lawyer Gavin Boby, also known as the "mosque buster", describes the activity of his organization, the Law And Freedom Foundation. He uses the law to stop the building of mosques in the UK by demonstrating to local councils that the building of a mosque or an Islamic centre is actually in violation of British law. And he succeeds: the count so far is 16 victories out of 17 cases.


http://www.boltonbnp.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/mosques-are-battleground-of-war-between.html

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This is the Islamic doctrine, every mosque is instructed to be based upon the original mosque in Medina, where Muhammad originally in the 7th century set up his religious-political doctrine of social control, and the mosque is a place of government, it is a place where treaties are made, death sentences are passed, armies are blessed and dispatched, it is primarily about political control and it is very much used as a tool of advance. Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey talked about that, the Muslim Brotherhood compared their mosques to battalions and to beehives, where Muslims will gather and then advance, and there's nothing new about this, it goes back to the 7th century.


That is enough. The UK is turning into an Islamic emirate.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Fri 1 Aug, 2014 03:42 pm

Israeli military announce they will bomb al-Shifa hospital in Gaza
International Solidarity Movement on August 1, 2014 19

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Al-Shifa hospital has received a phone call telling them a building of the hospital will be bombed.

At 16:30, the hospital received a call from an unlisted number, stating a building needed to be evacuated immediately.

The building is being used for overflow patients, and is directly across the road from the main hospital building. It is part of the hospital site, but building work has yet to be completed.

The hospital is now in the process of evacuating all staff and patients inside.

“I’d like to say that Israel’s threats to bomb Gaza’s largest hospital have reached a new low, but in light of it’s relentless atrocities and civilian massacres over the last 25 days, it’s hardly unexpected.” Stated Joe Catron, U.S. International Solidarity Movement (ISM) activist now in al-Shifa hospital.

Since July 25th, international volunteers from countries including Spain, Sweden, the United States, the United Kingdom, France, New Zealand, Australia, and Venezuela have begun a constant protective presence in various locations at the al-Shifa Hospital.

According to the Gaza Ministry of Health, as of July 29th, there have been 34 attacks against Gazan medical facilities since this latest Israeli military assault began 25 days ago.
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