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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Wed 30 Jul, 2014 09:54 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
Should we take a vote?

To what end? If you got a billion people to endorse a falsehood, that would not in any way invalidate reality.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 30 Jul, 2014 09:55 pm
@buttflake,
buttflake wrote:
McTag wrote:
The evidence is there, has been verified, is being filmed.

Pallywood and leftist media. None of it is believable. And those reporters do not go nowhere Hamas doesn't want them to.

Yep.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 30 Jul, 2014 09:56 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Ashkenazi Jews didn't exist in the land in Israel, or any part of Palestine for that matter, in 70 AD. They came into being during the Middle Ages in Central and Eastern Europe.

DNA says otherwise.


InfraBlue wrote:
Really, you need to let go of your religious mythologies and Zionist propaganda.

Science and history are neither myth nor propaganda.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 30 Jul, 2014 09:57 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The Ashkenazim, the Jews that thought up Zionism, the Jews that immigrated to Palestine to set up their state for "the Jews" starting in the early 20th Century are a European people. They didn't exist during the time of the Judean resurrections, let alone exist in Palestine during those times.

DNA says otherwise.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 30 Jul, 2014 11:09 pm
@McTag,

Washington (AFP) - The United States confirmed it had restocked Israel's supplies of ammunition, hours after finally sharpening its tone to condemn an attack on a United Nations school in Gaza.

But while both the White House and the State Department condemned the shelling of the UN-run school in the Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza in which at least 16 Palestinians were killed, neither would assign blame to staunch US ally Israel.

"Obviously nothing justifies the killing of innocent civilians seeking shelter in a UN facility," deputy State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf acknowledged, in some of the toughest US comments since the start of the 23-day fighting in the Gaza Strip.

"Innocent Palestinians seeking refuge in these schools should not have shells dropped on them, should not come under attack."

The UN agency for Palestinian refugees UNRWA said Israeli forces had hit the school, which had been sheltering some 3,300 Gazans.

But despite heated exchanges with reporters, Harf stressed that "we don't know for certain who shelled this school, we need to get all the facts."

https://news.yahoo.com/us-restocks-israel-ammunition-015126465.html
McTag
 
  0  
Wed 30 Jul, 2014 11:17 pm
@oralloy,

Truth, always the first casualty.

But it's obviously a bit embarrassing.
Even for the shameless.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Wed 30 Jul, 2014 11:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Ill continue to read but you dont mind if I think your both acting like 5 year olds.
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izzythepush
 
  -1  
Thu 31 Jul, 2014 03:47 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Truth, always the first casualty.


For people like you and me Truth is something that be supported by facts and evidence, and it's something that stands up to examination by 3rd parties.

For Oralboy Truth is whatever notion pops into that peculiar head of his, which is why he'll believe any statement, however fantastic, issued by the Israeli government.
izzythepush
 
  0  
Thu 31 Jul, 2014 04:50 am
@izzythepush,
As far as Truth goes, I prefer to listen to those who don't have a dog in the fight.

Quote:
The full horror of the situation in a UN school where at least 19 people lost their lives and another 125 were wounded in dawn strikes proved too much for UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) spokesmen Chris Gunness, who broke down on camera after describing the human impact of the conflict between Israel and Gaza.

Mr Gunness, a former BBC reporter, quickly lost his composure following an interview with Al Jazeera where he described the human loss and suffering being endured in schools which are currently serving as UN shelters across the crisis-hit region.

The UNRWA has been working in Gaza to provide refugee for displaced Palestinians. The organisation says it is at "breaking point" with over 200,000 civilians seeking refuge in 86 of their shelters following calls by Israel for civilians to evacuate whole neighbourhoods before military operations.

As the Al Jazeera interview drew to a close, Mr Gunness told the network: “The rights of Palestinians, even their children, are wholesale denied and it’s appalling” at which point he paused, visibly trying to hold himself together.

He just about managed to finish the interview by responding to thanks with a barely audible “my pleasure” before breaking down into loud, racking sobs. His colleague quickly rushed in to comfort Mr Gunness, who continued to weep in the background.

Speaking after the footage was broadcast by Al Jazeera Arabic, Mr Gunness told The Independent: “There are sometimes moments when tears speak more eloquently than words. But my tears pale into insignificance compared with those of the people of Gaza.

"What is happening in Gaza, particularly to the children, is an affront to the humanity of all of us. If this had happened in the UK the Security Council would be meeting in emergency session. The injustice of it all is enough to make any heart burst.”

The attack on the Jabaliya Elementary Girls School , which the UN accused Israel of carrying out after being warned 17 times that civilians were seeking shelter there, was condemned by an incensed UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon as “outrageous” and “unjustifiable”.

“It demands accountability and justice," Ban said.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-un-spokesman-chris-gunness-breaks-down-on-camera-after-shelling-on-jabaliya-school-9639083.html
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McTag
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jul, 2014 07:32 am
@izzythepush,

The Israeli armed forces have to deal with "the tunnels" and the rockets being launched, they say.
(why not deal with the Israel end of the tunnels? Concrete is cheap.)

So they attack Gaza's only power plant, and UN shelters for displaced families.
izzythepush
 
  0  
Thu 31 Jul, 2014 07:52 am
@McTag,
Bobsal posted this on the Human shields thread, says it all.

Quote:
An Israeli army officer who repeatedly shot a 13-year-old Palestinian girl in Gaza dismissed a warning from another soldier that she was a child by saying he would have killed her even if she was three years old.
The officer, identified by the army only as Captain R, was charged this week with illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and other relatively minor infractions after emptying all 10 bullets from his gun's magazine into Iman al-Hams when she walked into a "security area" on the edge of Rafah refugee camp last month.

A tape recording of radio exchanges between soldiers involved in the incident, played on Israeli television, contradicts the army's account of the events and appears to show that the captain shot the girl in cold blood.

The official account claimed that Iman was shot as she walked towards an army post with her schoolbag because soldiers feared she was carrying a bomb.

But the tape recording of the radio conversation between soldiers at the scene reveals that, from the beginning, she was identified as a child and at no point was a bomb spoken about nor was she described as a threat. Iman was also at least 100 yards from any soldier.

Instead, the tape shows that the soldiers swiftly identified her as a "girl of about 10" who was "scared to death".

The tape also reveals that the soldiers said Iman was headed eastwards, away from the army post and back into the refugee camp, when she was shot.

At that point, Captain R took the unusual decision to leave the post in pursuit of the girl. He shot her dead and then "confirmed the kill" by emptying his magazine into her body.

The tape recording is of a three-way conversation between the army watchtower, the army post's operations room and the captain, who was a company commander.

The soldier in the watchtower radioed his colleagues after he saw Iman: "It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward."

Operations room: "Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?"

Watchtower: "A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death."

A few minutes later, Iman is shot in the leg from one of the army posts.

The watchtower: "I think that one of the positions took her out."

The company commander then moves in as Iman lies wounded and helpless.

Captain R: "I and another soldier ... are going in a little nearer, forward, to confirm the kill ... Receive a situation report. We fired and killed her ... I also confirmed the kill. Over."

Witnesses described how the captain shot Iman twice in the head, walked away, turned back and fired a stream of bullets into her body. Doctors at Rafah's hospital said she had been shot at least 17 times.

On the tape, the company commander then "clarifies" why he killed Iman: "This is commander. Anything that's mobile, that moves in the zone, even if it's a three-year-old, needs to be killed. Over."

The army's original account of the killing said that the soldiers only identified Iman as a child after she was first shot. But the tape shows that they were aware just how young the small, slight girl was before any shots were fired.

The case came to light after soldiers under the command of Captain R went to an Israeli newspaper to accuse the army of covering up the circumstances of the killing.

A subsequent investigation by the officer responsible for the Gaza strip, Major General Dan Harel, concluded that the captain had "not acted unethically".

However, the military police launched an investigation, which resulted in charges against the unit commander.

Iman's parents have accused the army of whitewashing the affair by filing minor charges against Captain R. They want him prosecuted for murder.

Record of a shooting

Watchtower
'It's a little girl. She's running defensively eastward'
Operations room
'Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?'
Watchtower
'A girl of about 10, she's behind the embankment, scared to death'
Captain R (after killing the girl)
'Anything moving in the zone, even a three-year-old, needs to be killed'


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 31 Jul, 2014 07:53 am
@McTag,

Quote:
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http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/c_zps7c3424d7.jpg
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worldtraveler24
 
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Thu 31 Jul, 2014 08:58 am
@InfraBlue,
Look, say what you will but the Zionists are not even true Jews. Most of them cannot even prove their pure blood line. Your boy Obama is nothing more than their puppet and he is accomplishing what they want accomplished. --Not all Jews in Israel are the Ashkenazim Jews. Not all that support this war are Ashkenazim Jews either. Would you want rockets flying at you and your government do nothing about it?

Your statements are like saying all Americans are from European roots since those are the guys that started America. Your reasoning is not correct.
izzythepush
 
  -1  
Thu 31 Jul, 2014 09:01 am
@worldtraveler24,
worldtraveler24 wrote:

Look, say what you will but the Zionists are not even true Jews. Most of them cannot even prove their pure blood line. Your boy Obama is nothing more than their puppet and he is accomplishing what they want accomplished.


You seem to be contradicting yourself.

The Arabs and Jews lived in relative peace in Palestine before the Zionists turned up, which is what most of us have been saying.

What's wrong, has your conscience got the better of you?
worldtraveler24
 
  -2  
Thu 31 Jul, 2014 09:05 am
@izzythepush,
You make a great error--do you understand that the UN was founded by the Zionists? Franklin D Roosevelt had so many Jewish relatives it was pathetic. How can you accept what this powerless organization has to say?

You are confused on true Jews that practice pure Judaism and those who don't even believe in GOD--those are the Zionists.
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worldtraveler24
 
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Thu 31 Jul, 2014 09:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
you missed the point CI--Obama is the Zionist puppet--that is the point. He is in bed with them and bringing about what they want: One world order.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jul, 2014 09:11 am
@worldtraveler24,
No, you just don't know your history. The US, no matter which party controlled our government, always supported Israel. There's never been a break in that support.
worldtraveler24
 
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Thu 31 Jul, 2014 09:17 am
@izzythepush,
That is not the issue Izzy--What I am saying is the true Jews who follow Judaism (by the way according to you is mythology and Zionist propaganda) are not the Zionist of which you speak. You are mixing the two as if they were two peas in pod. I stand behind the true Jews--I hate war just like all of you do but there are still innocent lives being lost on both sides of the border. A nation should have a right to defend itself regardless--whether it is the Zionists as you say or the Israeli citizens they should be able to fight back.

Speaking of a conscience, I would dare say that yours is somewhat seared since you so frivolously call Christianity and Judaism "mythology and Zionist propaganda."
worldtraveler24
 
  2  
Thu 31 Jul, 2014 09:21 am
@cicerone imposter,
CI, you are on the surface of it --dig a bit deeper--there is no need to be controversial when you have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody said the US is not supporting Israel. We are one of their only supporters and have been since 1948.

I know my history quite well. I think your issue is grammar-you don't understand what is being said.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 31 Jul, 2014 09:25 am
@worldtraveler24,
You wrote,
Quote:
you missed the point CI--Obama is the Zionist puppet--that is the point.


All our presidents were Zionist puppets. Why only Obama? You have no point; you're just ignorant.
 

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