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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 02:34 pm
@woiyo,
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The FACT is the way Native Americans have integrated into this society (yes, those who survived !!) just might be a model for "The Jews" and "Palestinians". Those Native American who still live on the reservation are not FORCED to live their. That is their choice.


My father is Native American as is my husband. My husband was adopted from an Indian reservation by a white couple and he was very fortunate as his mother was a diabetic who died when he was almost six months of age. My father was one of the lucky ones; he was ambitious and he and a partner bought a hardware store which is still successful. Some Native Americans were placed on reservations and given government handouts, like cheese and other cheap foods not too healthy. Before the arrival of the White man to the Americas Native tribes lived off the land, eating game and fresh fish. They were healthy tribes; their number dwindled sorely by fights with the White colonizers, and many succumbed to alcoholism; European settlers also brought diseases that devastated entire tribes because they had no immunity at the time.
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 02:41 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

Quote:

The FACT is the way Native Americans have integrated into this society (yes, those who survived !!) just might be a model for "The Jews" and "Palestinians". Those Native American who still live on the reservation are not FORCED to live their. That is their choice.


My father is Native American as is my husband. My husband was adopted from an Indian reservation by a white couple and he was very fortunate as his mother was a diabetic who died when he was almost six months of age. My father was one of the lucky ones; he was ambitious and he and a partner bought a hardware store which is still successful. Some Native Americans were placed on reservations and given government handouts, like cheese and other cheap foods not too healthy. Before the arrival of the White man to the Americas Native tribes lived off the land, eating game and fresh fish. They were healthy tribes; their number dwindled sorely by fights with the White colonizers, and many succumbed to alcoholism; European settlers also brought diseases that devastated entire tribes because they had no immunity at the time.


Don't forget the wholesale slaughter of the buffalo, so Native Americans lost their main food source.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 02:46 pm
I despise what the Europeans did to the indigenous population when they came over the Atlantic.

But it is worthwhile to remember that "native Americans" were not really "native Americans."

In the grand scheme of things...humans were still sorting out who had possession of what...and by what authority (almost always, might).
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 02:48 pm
@Foofie,
You wrote,
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Don't forget the wholesale slaughter of the buffalo, so Native Americans lost their main food source.


No part of the buffalo was wasted; the white man knew that eliminating the buffalo would make the Native American leave the land - where the buffalo roamed.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 03:17 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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But it is worthwhile to remember that "native Americans" were not really "native Americans."


I agree. "Native Americans" it is said arrive to the Americas from Asia supposedly via the Bering Strait which was a frozen land mass back then.

" While there is general agreement that America was first settled from Asia by people who migrated across Beringia, the pattern of migration, its timing, and the place of origin in Asia of the people who migrated to America remains unclear.[1][2] In recent years, researchers have sought to use familiar tools to validate or reject established theories, such as Clovis first.[3] As new discoveries come to light, past hypotheses are reevaluated and new theories constructed. The archeological evidence suggests that the Paleo-Indians' first "widespread" habitation of America occurred during the end of the last glacial period or, more specifically, what is known as the late glacial maximum, around 16,500–13,000 years ago.[4]"

Wikipedia
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I read an article a few years back that suggested before the Asians now called Native Americans, arrived, newly discovered evidence suggested there were huge carved African heads, along with other Human Skeleton‎ heads that did not bear a resemblance to Africans or Asians.....the origin was undetermined.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 03:44 pm
@buttflake,
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Really?


Yes, really.

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Where are the gas chambers and the starving Palestinians behind barb wire living in their own waste waiting to die?


I don't know of any gas chambers yet, and their introduction would probably affect the flow of funds from the USA, but the other elements are in place.
The information is available, if you care to widen your reading.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 05:37 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
It's quite easy to draw parallels between the actions and policies of the State of Israel today, and the Nazi Third Reich in the 1930s.

You anti-Semitic vermin are despicable.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 05:43 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Not likely that fabricated victims require actual burial.

You don't "get" irony, then? On purpose probably.

No American is capable of getting irony. It's something that only Brits are able to understand.

Something about opposites I gather, but the exact nuances seem rather vague.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 05:44 pm
@oralloy,
Why? Because many can draw parallels between the Nazis and the Zionists? Why can't you? It's pretty easy, actually.

Kill the Palestinians (ethnic cleansing) to make Israel the land of and only for the Jews.

With a little editing,
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Human Rights Maps: Ethnic Cleansing of Palestinians by Zionist Israel.
Occupied colonies in Israel.
https://www.google.com/search?q=map+of+occupied+colonies+in+israel&client=opera&hs=dMw&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=QuDWU-PNEMXYigKA8oCgDg&ved=0CB4QsAQ&biw=1082&bih=666
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oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 05:44 pm
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:
Is it possible for you to consider that both sides refuse to actually even TRY to live in peace?

Actually, Israel has tried many many times.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 05:51 pm
@oralloy,
Your 'try' has no meaning until the Zionists return all stolen Palestinian lands, give Palestinians the freedom and legal right to travel in Israel, stop killing Palestinians - especially their children, and give reparations to the Palestinians for all the suffering since 1947.

This would be the proper and right start, but all of us know it'll never happen.

Zionists prefer living on mythology, stealing more of their land, and killing more innocent Palestinians.
buttflake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 06:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Zionists prefer living on mythology, stealing more of their land, and killing more innocent Palestinians.


And Palestinians have fake pictures to prove it.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 07:52 pm
@maxdancona,
And the remainder of them would rather we dont trespass on their ground.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 08:05 pm
@McTag,
As long as the Isralies keep the money going to the politicians they, the politicians would probably pass a law requiring the military to supply them with gas chambers.
buttflake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 08:11 pm
@RABEL222,
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As long as the Isralies keep the money going to the politicians they, the politicians would probably pass a law requiring the military to supply them with gas chambers.



Well then they won't get any Muslims votes. You know Muslims hold elected offices in Israel.

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Knesset: Arab citizens of Israel have been elected to every Knesset, and currently hold 12 of its 120 seats. The first female Arab MP was Hussniya Jabara, a Muslim Arab from central Israel, who was elected in 1999.[132]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 08:28 pm
@buttflake,
Sure they do, and look what the Knesset did.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.576247
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 08:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,
And this,
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Video: Arab Knesset member removed from meeting by force after telling Jewish MKs 'your hands are covered in blood!'
Tuesday, 15 July 2014 14:45
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Jamal ZahalkaJamal ZahalkaVIDEO

Arab Member of the Knesset Dr Jamal Zahalka, who heads the National Democratic Alliance bloc in the Israeli parliament, was expelled from an Interior Knesset Committee session by force yesterday after his removal was requested by the Chairperson of the Committee, far-right Likud Knesset Member Miri Regev.


Nothing like the 'freedom of speech' of the Arab Knesset members.
buttflake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 08:33 pm
@cicerone imposter,



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Knesset passes bill distinguishing between Muslim and Christian Arabs
Critics slam law as effort to 'divide and conquer' Israeli Arab population.

How could it be they are all ready divided by religion. If Israel wants to make it legal that is their business.
Obama is dividing people here and Israel can't?

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buttflake
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 08:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Nothing like the 'freedom of speech' of the Arab Knesset members.


Got any pictures? Laughing
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jul, 2014 08:38 pm
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DeeGee
BravoJuliet, as always, you and other conservatives are ill-informed.

Palestinians, as of 2014 make up 20% of the population; but the Palestinians Only 12 of the 120 members of the Knesset are Palestinian (and other non-Jews).

According to a study commissioned by the Arab Association of Human Rights entitled "Silencing Dissent," over the past three years, eight of nine of these Arab Knesset members have been beaten by Israeli forces during demonstrations. Most recently according to the report, legislation has been passed, including three election laws [e.g., banning political parties], and two Knesset related laws aimed to "significantly curb the minority [Arab population] right to choose a public representative and for those representatives to develop independent political platforms and carry out their duties".

So, it seems a pretty fair claim that 21% of the population only has 10% of the representation in government, and those individuals get physically beaten when they engage in peaceful protest over their property being taken from them - usually without compensation - and given to Jews.

Put another way, Palestinians get treated like African Americans during the worst of the Jim Crow laws during the period when the rest of the country persecuted blacks Jews, Hispanics, Asians, and Native Americans as second class citizens.

So it is not surprising that the Palestinians went from welcoming Jews originally to the new nation of Israel, to coming to hate the horrific unfairness of Jewish theocracy, instead of acting like a genuine democracy of free and equal people, regardless of religion or ethnicity.

I've seen it first hand in Israel; and there are significant Jews who also oppose this kind of treatment effectively of second class citizens, and worse.

Conservatives are consistently and wilfully ignorant of those factors that lead to ongoing hostility on both sides. Israel has a right to exist - but so do Palestinians, as fully equal citizens.
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