Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

Whose talking about the WB and Gaza? You are blind; I've posted pictures of the prisons that Palestinians live in and around Jerusalem and Bethlehem. Palestinians have green license plates to limit their travel in Israel. Do you know of any other country in this world where this takes place?

Where ever it may be, they certainly don't claim to be a 'democracy.'

Also, show us what other democratic country has watch towers on their roads manned by their military and police with guns?

License Plates issued by the Israeli government:

Green- Can travel only within the West Bank or Gaza strip not both (b/c they do not have the permits to drive between these two sections of land) and not within the 1948 borders of the Israeli State (Palestinians with Green or Orange IDs)

Yellow- Can travel in the 1948 borders of the Israeli State and within the West Bank and Gaza (only people with Israeli citizenship, blue ID cards or international citizenship (ie. US citizens can rent a car with yellow plates).

Check points and Roads:

This is Hawara check point. I took this photo while accompanying an almond farmer as he and his family members harvested the almonds. He has not been able to get regular permits from the Israeli government to harvest his lands and when he does, has been regularly attacked by local Settlers so he asked IWPS and ISM to accompany him in case that happened.

At the Hawara check point 2 weeks prior to me being there, a teenage boy was shot and killed by a soldier. The soldier's excuse was that he saw a wire attached to the boy- it was the headphones from his walkman. The soldier saw a teenage boy's headphone wires and shot him dead. On the day I was accompanying the almond farmer, there were very long lines of people trying to get to and from work.

Also in this photo, you can see a road below the check point. This road is a Israeli-only road. Only Israelis with yellow plates (so in this case, it serves specifically Israeli Settlers living in the West Bank) can use these types of roads despite that they are within the West Bank and cut through Palestinian-owned agricultural land and are often the closest and sometimes the only paved roads that connect to Palestinian villages.

This is the Bethlehem check point where Palestinians are forced to wait on long lines and scan their hands into a machine that tracks their movement. The sign you see is meant to greet foreign tourists to Bethlehem (a historically important city for Christians in particular). The Bethlehem tourist industry is almost entirely controlled by Israeli companies, so Palestinians do not reap economic gains of these travelers.


The Separation Barrier, The Apartheid Wall:

(Photos: 1- outside of Bethlehem; 2- in Bilin; 3- in East Jerusalem/Al Quds)

By now, it is clear I think that this is an apartheid system. I won't say much about the Wall except here it is - illegal under international law - in some places it's 30 meters high made of concrete and in others it is multiple fences eating up large amounts of land, electrified with barbed wire. It destroys or prevents farmers from harvesting hundreds of thousands of olive trees; it prevents people from getting to their jobs or forcing them to sneak through, taking 5 hours for 30 minute commutes, risking being beaten, or jailed; it divides families who lived in one neighborhood now cut in half by the wall; the list of human rights abuses go on. Historically, every wall like this has eventually come down. And so will this.

Watch Towers:

are everywhere watching people constantly.


1- at the entrance of Haris, the village where I was staying
2- Somewhere on the road in the West Bank
3- at the border to Jerusalem / Al Quds (I think but don't remember 100%)
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Israel and the apartheid analogy
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Israel and the apartheid analogy is a comparison between Israel's treatment of the Palestinians and South Africa's treatment of non-whites during its apartheid era.[1]

The analogy has been used by scholars, United Nations investigators, human rights groups and critics of Israeli policy, some of which have also accused Israel of committing the crime of apartheid.[2][3] Critics of Israeli policy say that "a system of control" in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, including Jewish-only settlements, the ID system, separate roads for Israeli and Palestinian citizens, military checkpoints, discriminatory marriage law, the West Bank barrier, use of Palestinians as cheap labour, Palestinian West Bank enclaves, inequities in infrastructure, legal rights, and access to land and resources between Palestinians and Israeli residents in the Israeli-occupied territories resembles some aspects of the South African apartheid regime, and that elements of Israel's occupation constitute forms of colonialism and of apartheid, which are contrary to international law.[4] Some commentators extend the analogy, or accusation, to include Arab citizens of Israel, describing their citizenship status as second-class.[12]

Opponents of the analogy claim that the comparison is factually,[13] morally,[13] and historically[14] inaccurate and intended to delegitimize Israel.[1][15][16][17] Opponents state that the West Bank and Gaza are not part of sovereign Israel. Though the internal free movement of Palestinians is heavily regulated by the Israeli government, the territories are governed by the elected Palestinian Authority and Hamas leaders, so they cannot be compared to the internal policies of apartheid South Africa.[18][19] In regards to the situation within Israel itself, critics of the analogy argue that Israel cannot be called an apartheid state because unlike the South African that was explicit about its racial segregation policies, Israeli law is the same for Jewish citizens and other Israeli citizens, with no explicit distinction between race, creed or sex.[23] However, others believe that even if Israeli law does not make explicit distinction between categories of citizens, in effect and consequence it privileges Jewish citizens and discriminates against non-Jewish, and particularly Arab citizens of the state.

What the DNA scientists say is that the Palestinian population diverged from the Israeli population well before the time of the Israelite kingdom

What the DNA scientists say is that the Palestinian population diverged from the Israeli population well before the time of the Israelite kingdom

You say,

Quote:

What the DNA scientists say is that the Palestinian population diverged from the Israeli population well before the time of the Israelite kingdom

Flatly false.

What the DNA scientists ACTUALLY say is that TODAY Jews and Palestinians are still ESSENTIALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE. THEY DID NOT DIVERGE SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS AGO.

Since we seem to agree that my cite is the one you won't put any effort into finding, and is apparently the one you're drawing your erroneous ideas from, I will repost it.

Nowhere does it say the Ps and Js diverged, nor does it say the Ps come from somewhere else. Those ideas seem to come purely from your fevered imagination. http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

Here's an article on "discriminatory laws in Israel" against Palestinians.
http://adalah.org/eng/Israeli-Discriminatory-Law-Database

Your inability to acknowledge these practices in Israel only proves you are a racial bigot and have no feelings for other people. You are human trash.

Why don't you care about all humans?

Israeli army scattered flyers over northern Gaza Strip early Sunday, warning residents to evacuate their homes before a planned strike at noon. The content of the flyers was passed on to the residents of Beit Lahia, a city located in the Gaza Strip north of Jabalia, by text and recorded messages, as well.

"To the residents of Beit Lahiya,

The IDF intends to attack terrorists and terror infrastructures in the area east of Al-Atatra and Al-Salatin St., and in the area west and north of Ma'bscar Jabalyia. Israel is currently attacking, and will continue to attack, every area from which rockets are being launched at its territory.

The civilians are requested to evacuate their residences immediately and move by 12:00 PM today, south of Jabalyia Al-Badr via Shar'a Al-Faluja," the flyers said.

MontereyJack wrote:

Nowhere does it say the Ps and Js diverged, nor does it say the Ps come from somewhere else. Those ideas seem to come purely from your fevered imagination. http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

"this close genetic relationship probably stems from pre-Judaic times, rather than any more recent conversion of Palestinian Jews to Islam."

An organized military is always going to perform much better than a ragtag bunch of militants. In Nam we killed over three million, and lost about 58,000.

This quote does not confirm your ridiculous assertion that Palestinians and Jews diverged genetically.

Religious professions do not define genealogy

so this guy's politically motivated speculation is irrelevant in this regard.