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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 09:20 am
@ossobuco,
The fence/wall is similar to that on our southern border. (Good fences make good neighbors.) Before they were erected, Israel was under constant attacks by the Pals. The attacks have largely stopped now that the fences are in place.

It is interesting that the Pals can gratuitously bombard Israel with about 10,000 shells, missiles, and rockets without any condemnation by the Israel-haters. But the alleged murder of two Pal youths by Israelis is comparable to the crusades. Don't you love it how the Pals inculcate their children with anti-Jew teachings aimed at foreclosing any possibility of future peace between the parties? I could go on.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 09:22 am
@ossobuco,
I think that Vatican City is largely walled in.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 09:29 am
@Advocate,
Indeed. The term for such town is "walled city".
The Romans fortified their cities with massive, mortar-bound stone walls.

The wall partly surrounding Vatican City, the Leonid Wall, was finished in the 9th century by Pope Leo IV.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 09:35 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
It is interesting that the Pals can gratuitously bombard Israel with about 10,000 shells, missiles, and rockets without any condemnation by the Israel-haters. But the alleged murder of two Pal youths by Israelis is comparable to the crusades. Don't you love it how the Pals inculcate their children with anti-Jew teachings aimed at foreclosing any possibility of future peace between the parties? I could go on.

Quote:
http://i1334.photobucket.com/albums/w641/Walter_Hinteler/a_zps534c9ffc.jpg
[...]
The majority of all these Christians (more than 80 percent in Israel and practically all in the West Bank and Gaza) are Arabs. And many, or even most, of them — including those holding Israeli citizenship — identify as Palestinians.[...]
(My emphasis) Source
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 09:41 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Leave it to the literalist, disingenuous, Walter. It is very obvious that I was referring to Pals outside of Israel.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 10:03 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
It is very obvious that I was referring to Pals outside of Israel.
And you compared the Israeli wall to 1,200 years old World Cultural Heritage sites.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 10:10 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Leave it to the literalist, disingenuous, Walter.


So says Holocaust denier Pamela Rosa's cheerleader.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2014 05:28 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

...Don't you love it how the Pals inculcate their children with anti-Jew teachings aimed at foreclosing any possibility of future peace between the parties?...


When one is obsessed with historical land, teaching one's children to carry on the fight is standard operating procedure.

If Israel becomes a less secular country by its inhabitants, I personally believe the Orthodox Jews have already shown that they have the patience to out wait any adversary. I base this on the historical fact that all prior enemies of Jews no longer exist in the identity they had when Jews were their adversary.



Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2014 08:15 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Advocate wrote:

...Don't you love it how the Pals inculcate their children with anti-Jew teachings aimed at foreclosing any possibility of future peace between the parties?...


When one is obsessed with historical land, teaching one's children to carry on the fight is standard operating procedure.

If Israel becomes a less secular country by its inhabitants, I personally believe the Orthodox Jews have already shown that they have the patience to out wait any adversary. I base this on the historical fact that all prior enemies of Jews no longer exist in the identity they had when Jews were their adversary.






First, Israel is still mostly a secular country. Second, the patience by the orthodox over the centuries meant just sitting still while Jews were being slaughtered.

This has to be one of your more stupid posts.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2014 08:25 pm
@Advocate,
Sure, they're so secular, 98% has a Mezuzah on their front door, and 56% light Shabbat candles.
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Quote:
ISRAELI JEWISH RELIGIOUS PRACTICE

Religious Practice Always Sometimes Never
Light Shabbat candles 56% 22% 20%
Recite Kiddush (Friday night) 46% 21% 32%
Synagogue Saturday morning 23% 22% 56%
Don't work [in public] on Sabbath 42% 19% 39%
Paraticipate in Passover Seder 78% 17% 5%
Light Hanukkah candles 71% 20% 9%
Fast on Yom Kippur 70% 11% 19%
Bless Lulav (Sukkot) 26% 15% 59%
Observe Kashrut at home 69% 18% 14%
No pork, shellfish, etc. 63% 16% 21%
Brit Milah 92%
Bar Mitzvah 83%
Wedding 87%
Burial/Shiva/Kaddish 88-91%
Mezuzah on front door 98%
Contribute to charity 74%
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2014 11:26 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Actually, Theodor Herzl's idea really was was that "Palestine" (=I srael) would be a secular state. And still Secular Jews are the largest part of the Jewish population in Israel, with not too much influence, thought. (This year, more than 30% of first graders in Israel study in Haredi schools!)
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2014 07:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Sure, they're so secular, 98% has a Mezuzah on their front door, and 56% light Shabbat candles.
[/b]
Quote:
ISRAELI JEWISH RELIGIOUS PRACTICE

Religious Practice Always Sometimes Never
Light Shabbat candles 56% 22% 20%
Recite Kiddush (Friday night) 46% 21% 32%
Synagogue Saturday morning 23% 22% 56%
Don't work [in public] on Sabbath 42% 19% 39%
Paraticipate in Passover Seder 78% 17% 5%
Light Hanukkah candles 71% 20% 9%
Fast on Yom Kippur 70% 11% 19%
Bless Lulav (Sukkot) 26% 15% 59%
Observe Kashrut at home 69% 18% 14%
No pork, shellfish, etc. 63% 16% 21%
Brit Milah 92%
Bar Mitzvah 83%
Wedding 87%
Burial/Shiva/Kaddish 88-91%
Mezuzah on front door 98%
Contribute to charity 74%



What is the source of this crap?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2014 07:34 pm
@Advocate,
This is from Wiki. If you can add, it totals 59% - or the majority practice Judism.
Quote:
Traditional
Masorti/Traditional Jews make up 38.5% of the Jewish population in Israel.[11] This is the second largest group. Many of these "traditional Jews" differ from the Orthodox only because they will drive their cars on the Sabbath, use electricity, watch television, or go to a soccer game or the beach, frequently after attending religious services in the morning and the evening before. Many of the men wrap tefillin every morning, others cover the spectrum of observance. What is critical is that all are committed to a major religious component in the definition of their Jewishness and the Jewishness of the Jewish state.[13] Traditional Jews make up most of the Likud political party.[14]

Orthodox
19.9% of the Jewish population identifies as Orthodox ("dati") or ultra-Orthodox.[11] Most of the Orthodox and some ultra-Orthodox, believe that secular Zionist nationalism and Judaism can successfully work and live together in Israel. Politically they align with National Religious Party, the Morasha Party and by the two state-appointed Chief Rabbis. Orthodox Jews are often seen wearing knitted yarmulkes.[14] The ultra-Orthodox (Charedi) are the smallest part of the population, representing only 8.2% of Jews living in Israel.[11] The Charedim tend to live in their own communities and live according to Jewish law by following moral and dress codes passed down from ancestors. This part of the population is often seen wearing black hats or yarmulkes and some Hasidic sects are related to Hasidic sects in the United States.


From visionsof.org.
Quote:
RELIGION

Israel is a Jewish state, was reestablished in 1948 as the historic and modern home of the Jewish people, and is the world’s only Jewish state. Yet Israel is also the only country in the Middle East which has full freedom of religion for all. Each religious community is free, by law and in practice, to exercise its faith, to observe its holidays and weekly day of rest and to administer its internal affairs. Each has its own religious council and courts, recognized by law and with jurisdiction over all religious affairs and matters of personal status such as marriage and divorce. Each has its own unique places of worship, with traditional rituals and special architectural features developed over the centuries. Judaism is the religion of the majority of citizens and according to the country's Central Bureau of Statistics, in 2005 the population was 76.1% Jewish, 16.2% Muslim, 2.1% Christian, and 1.6% Druze, with the remaining 3.9% not classified by religion. Among all Israeli Jews, 65% believe in God and 85% participate in a Passover seder. However, other sources indicate that between 15% and 37% of Israelis identify themselves as either agnostics or atheists. Israelis tend not to align themselves with a movement of Judaism (such as Reform Judaism or Conservative Judaism) but instead tend to define their religious affiliation by degree of their religious practice.

Judaism in Israel
Israel is the birthplace of Judaism, the most ancient of the world’s three predominant monotheistic faiths. Israel is the place of all of Judaism’s myriad holy and historic sites, including Jerusalem, the Temple Mount (the site of Judaism’s First and Second Temples as documented in the Bible), and Hebron. In particular, Jerusalem is historically the heart of Jewish life, having been the religious center and capitol city of the Jewish people singularly, extending from the present all the way back to the times of King David. As such, Israel and Judaism are eternally and inexorably bound and inseparable.

Today, Jewish society in Israel is made up of observant and non-observant Jews, ranging from the ultra-Orthodox to those who regard themselves as secular. However, the differences between them are not necessarily clear-cut. If Orthodoxy is determined by the degree of adherence to Jewish religious laws and practices, then 20% of Israeli Jews fulfill all religious principles, while 60% follow some combination of the laws according to personal choices and ethnic traditions, and 20% are essentially non-observant. Israel was conceived as a Jewish state, and therefore the Sabbath (Saturday) and all Jewish festivals and holy days have been instituted as national holidays and are adhered to by all. For example, the Sabbath (the weekly day of rest) on Saturday is marked in Israel with most people spending the day with family and friends. Public transport is suspended, businesses are closed, essential services are at skeleton-staff strength, and leave is granted to as many soldiers as possible.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 27 May, 2014 10:41 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
What is the source of this crap?
Actually, it's from the "Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs":
"The JCPA is a pro-Israel organisation, promoting a positive image of Israel, advocating Israel's right to exist and fighting antisemitism."
How Religious are Israeli Jews?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2014 01:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Advocate rarely misses an opportunity to show he's an idiot.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2014 05:02 am
@izzythepush,
Perhaps he should change his profile: "I am a news and politics junkie".

Exactly those figures (and some more recent, which seem to be even higher) were and still are used just now as proof for the need to change the Israeli Basic Law (constitution).
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2014 06:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
In today's papers it is reported that 61% of Jewish students are ultra-orthodox (Sources: Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies and the Central Bureau of Statistics )
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2014 09:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
Good points, in my opinion.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2014 09:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

In today's papers it is reported that 61% of Jewish students are ultra-orthodox (Sources: Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies and the Central Bureau of Statistics )


There is no doubt that the ultra-orthodox are prolific childbearers, and will eventually control things in Israel. They feel that they should be exempt from military service because they are busy praying for the nation. I am not sure that they will prevail on this point.

In meantime, Jews, who are not ultra-orthodox, control Israel.
Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 28 May, 2014 10:07 am
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

In today's papers it is reported that 61% of Jewish students are ultra-orthodox (Sources: Jerusalem Institute for Israel Studies and the Central Bureau of Statistics )


There is no doubt that the ultra-orthodox are prolific childbearers, and will eventually control things in Israel. They feel that they should be exempt from military service because they are busy praying for the nation. I am not sure that they will prevail on this point.

In meantime, Jews, who are not ultra-orthodox, control Israel.



Countries go the most fecund. Barring wars that kill off the males of the fecund masses.
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