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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 06:22 pm
@oralloy,
From Haaritz.com.
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Ya’alon, who never hid his view that the talks were pointless, is the quintessential representative of this policy. He doesn’t represent the law, but rather the extreme right, which is dragging Israel down a path of conflict with the United States and Europe, and sabotaging Israelis’ hopes for resolving the conflict with the Palestinians. It raises the question of how Ya’alon’s political agenda can possibly be compatible with his responsibility for Israel’s security.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 06:28 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
The colonisation project will be the end of Israel as a democratic state.

I forgot to address the second half of your post.

First, the only colonists here are the Palestinians. The Israelis are indigenous to the West Bank.

And second, your fantasy about "Israel no longer being a democracy in the future" is just anti-Semitic wishful thinking. All Israel has to do is declare the Security Fence as their national border, and that will be the end of that. Most Palestinians are outside the Security Fence.

Better yet would be to gather up the West Bank Palestinians and bus them all to Gaza where they belong.


Olivier5 wrote:
Oh well... we'll just need to bomb them into good behaviour at some point in the not so distant future.

Your allegation that "Israel is misbehaving" is anti-Semitic dreck.

And anyone who tries to bomb Israel is going to find themselves having to endure Israel's justifiably-robust self defense.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 06:39 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:

YOU need to read history. Palestine, which is today claimed by two people, was home to dozens of nations in antiquity.


Bingo!

Quote:
The colonisation project will be the end of Israel as a democratic state. Oh well... we'll just need to bomb them into good behaviour at some point in the not so distant future.


I know you're being facetious, O5, but what most likely will occur will be the global movement campaign of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel. Sanctions is something that can seemingly move mountains given enough time.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 06:47 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
I agree; that's how South Africa's apartheid ended. $$$ speaks loud and clear.

From the NYT.
Quote:
The B.D.S. movement has nothing to do with animus toward Jews. Many American Jews, myself included, are vigorously working in support of B.D.S. — and there are more and more of us with every passing month. We target Israel for boycott not because we believe Israel is the worst human rights violator (we don’t), but because Israel is the single largest recipient of American foreign aid, more than $3 billion a year. As Jews, as taxpayers, as people of conscience, we have not only the right but the moral obligation to use boycott and divestment as strategies of nonviolent resistance to Israel’s systematic, racist mistreatment of Palestinians being done on our nickel and in our names.
oralloy
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 06:50 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
I know you're being facetious, O5, but what most likely will occur will be the global movement campaign of Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel. Sanctions is something that can seemingly move mountains given enough time.

Anti-Semitic sanctions will appeal only to Neo-Nazis and similar riffraff. You freaks won't be getting any human beings to join in your hate campaign.

Incidentally, if your hate campaign did somehow succeed in punishing Israel for the fact that Palestinians refuse to make peace, that would only justify Israel in taking certain steps against the Palestinians.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 06:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You see what these small minded people are doing? They give us a thumb's down , but fail to respond intelligently as to why their discriminatory actions are wrong.

Small minds, small responses.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 07:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The Palestinian boycott call was initiated in 2005, decades after Zionists evicted Palestinians from the lands of the future Israeli state, after all of Palestine came under Israeli control and occupation, and after thousands of Palestinians had been tortured, detained or killed. International institutions have pointed to Israel’s violations of international law. Yet the United States and Western countries have ignored the harsh realities of Palestinian life and the widening system of superior privilege for Jews in Palestine. From the Israeli-Jewish cocoon it looks like an attack on Israel and the Jewish nation when the criticism of Israeli actions against Palestinians grows after decades of singular support for Israel and total silence on the Palestinian issues. Israel needs to learn to follow international law. The boycott is a teaching tool, nothing more.

Martina Lauer Chesterville, Ontario
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 07:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The Israelis claim that anti-Semitism is behind the boycott, but they don’t see the real reason: the occupation of Palestinian lands and the subjugation of the Palestinians over the years.

Lillian Laskin, Los Angeles
Germlat
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 08:02 pm
@oralloy,
I'm not anti-Semitic. I wonder how you come about you're ideas of what's legal in land appropriation. BTW....many American Jews agree with me.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 08:09 pm
@Germlat,
It's not only American Jews that agrees with you; it's most of the people on this planet who understand right and wrong, the sanctity of one's home, and the ethical and legal ownership of property.

Why would anyone support a thief who steals other people's property - except the US government.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 09:25 pm
@Germlat,
Germlat wrote:
I'm not anti-Semitic.

Your willingness to deprive Jews of their own homeland is pretty disturbing.


Germlat wrote:
I wonder how you come about you're ideas of what's legal in land appropriation.

I start by acknowledging who the legitimate owners are.


Germlat wrote:
BTW....many American Jews agree with me.

They agree that Jews lose their right to their property after it has been stolen from them?
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 8 May, 2014 09:29 pm
@oralloy,
You had the chutzah to write,
Quote:
Your willingness to deprive Jews of their own homeland is pretty disturbing.


Your willingness to deprive Palestinians of their homes and property is not just disturbing, but against the Torah, the bible, and all international laws.

THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 9 May, 2014 06:23 am
Quote:
Former head of Israeli Atomic Energy Commission Uzi Eilam says Tehran may not even want nuke, but Netanyahu working public into lather for political gain


An interesting article in the Times of Israel: Nuke expert: Iran a decade from bomb, but PM playing politics

Quote:
he Iranian nuclear project will be active only in another 10 years,” Eilam told the Yedioth Ahronoth daily in excerpts from an interview published on Thursday. “I am not sure that Iran wants a bomb. It could be that they would be satisfied to be a threshold nuclear state to be a regional power and scare the neighbors.”

Eilam also accused Netanyahu of worrying the Israeli public with the specter of Iran for his own political machinations.

“Netanyahu is using the Iranian threat in order to achieve all kinds of political purposes,” he said but declined to speculate on what might be the goals of the prime minister’s strategy.
[...]
Eilam said that the government’s saber-rattling over a possible attack is pointless, especially considering the challenges of military action.

“The talk and threats about a strike on Iran were working up a frenzy that doesn’t help,” he said and noted the practical difficulties in pulling off a successful bombing campaign.

He also argued that the attack would backfire, pushing Iran to double down on its nuclear program and rallying the populace behind the regime.
... ... ...
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 9 May, 2014 08:06 am
@Germlat,
Pay no attention to Oralboy, he's a pathetic middle aged virgin who still lives with mum and dad in some flyblown shithole in the middle of nowhere. His definition of anti Semitic is anyone who doesn't want to exterminate the entire Palestinian population. He's a simmering mass of impotency and resentment who spends a lot of time fantasising about killing babies. Think Gollum without any of his noble properties.

When he does post, it tends to be an all nighter which means he's probably on crystal meth.
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oralloy
 
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Fri 9 May, 2014 08:40 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Former head of Israeli Atomic Energy Commission Uzi Eilam says Tehran may not even want nuke, but Netanyahu working public into lather for political gain

If they don't want a nuke, why are they developing a plutonium production reactor? Are they going to start selling a line of golf clubs made from weapons-grade plutonium?

And why are they illegally keeping so much of their program secret from the international community?


Quote:
He also argued that the attack would backfire, pushing Iran to double down on its nuclear program and rallying the populace behind the regime.

That's why you continue to bomb them periodically so that they are unable to rebuild.

Not that I'm opposing Mr. Obama's plan to attempt a negotiated solution before we resort to bombing, but this Uzi Eilam guy is being pretty silly.
Foofie
 
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Fri 9 May, 2014 08:53 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

Olivier5 wrote:

Quote:
I am only with Americans. Preferably with Protestants.

Not referral with fellow Jews?

Why the preference for protestants, may I ask?

That should read: "Not preference for fellow Jews?"


I guess one could leave out the "fellow"?

Why can't one accept the less than pleasing traits of one's specific group?

And, relative to Protestants, they do not dismiss Jews as not needed in the world theologically (and it might extrapolate further). I am talking about the bible believing Protestants. And, they don't dismiss Israel as a racist state; it is perceived as a fulfillment of bible prophecy. Whether correct or not, it is too soon after the Holocaust to be choosy about who is acting friendly, in my opinion. Plus, without a Pope John XXlll, would many Catholics affect a friendly attitude towards Jews? Call me paranoid about insincerity!
Foofie
 
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Fri 9 May, 2014 09:00 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Foofie, On an even lighter side, many of us Asians find the Chinese to be equal to Jews on arrogance.




And Jews should be equal to Chinese in numbers, in my opinion. One of my favorite fantasies.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 9 May, 2014 09:20 am
@oralloy,
The full interview with Brig.-Gen.Uzi Eilam is online as well as there are various reports about it e.g. additionally to the given link @ Jerusalem Post and Ynet.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 9 May, 2014 09:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
oral boy has already proven that anything he reads goes right over his head.
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Olivier5
 
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Fri 9 May, 2014 11:25 am
@Foofie,
Quote:
I guess one could leave out the "fellow"?

Why can't one accept the less than pleasing traits of one's specific group?

What traits?

Yet the actual people who perpetrated the holocaust were protestant, in their majority. Also, a country like the US, with a strong protestant majority, refused to accept german jewish refugees in the 30's... so your memory of the holocaust is partial.
 

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