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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
Advocate
 
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Sun 26 Jan, 2014 07:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Every army has malcontents, and Israel has freedom of speech. Don't believe everything you see.
Foofie
 
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Sun 26 Jan, 2014 07:42 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Graham Greene wrote about similar in one of his novels (The Quiet American) ... ehem, yes, Foofie, I know that Grene was a Catholic!


O.K. Let me explain my feelings towards Catholics in the U.S., specifically. Since many American Catholics have residual, less than positive feelings towards American Jews, going back to how their families viewed Jews in the first half of the 20th century, and much of it, in my opinion reflects a fair degree of Judeophobia (i.e., what could "the Jews" be up to?), one lasting canard about Jews is that "Jews take over." The fact is that there was such limited employment for Jews with a college degree, back in the 1950's/'60's, and beyond, many in urban America became teachers. When teacher unions won decent contracts (NYC), many of the marginally educated Gentiles thought, "see how Jews took over the teacher's union, and teaching." So, to maintain neighborhoods, corporations, etc., as places that white Catholics could have good jobs, and homogeneous neighborhoods, anti-Semitism just remained part of the culture of urban Catholic America, in my opinion.

Now here's my point, now that Catholics have become educated enough to call themselves progressive liberals, they are ready to change an America that is still a majority of white Protestant, and fairly conservative. The American capitalistic/political/military systems all became what they are due to a pre-1850 white Protestant America.

So, now when Catholics choose to be progressive liberals, and work to effect a different society, they do not think of themselves as "taking over." Only Jews do that!

So, the double standard, or perhaps lack of introspection, in my opinion, is just par for the course. Catholics, in my opinion, act like they "arrived" socially. In my opinion, the friendships with Protestants may be real, but the Protestants will "circle the wagons" when threatened by change to their country. Note who is in the Tea Parties.

So, I just think many a Catholic American looks upon Jews as what Jews were looked upon in Europe, that being outsiders that they would like to not compete against. Protestants do value Jews, even though their emphasis on social status/class really prohibits being too friendly to Jews.

I find many Catholics can be friendly; however, in my opinion, I consider them false friends that talk behind my back when the spirit moves them.

I hope you can appreciate my candidness.
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Foofie
 
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Sun 26 Jan, 2014 07:44 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

As always, live ammunition against stone throwers.


Are you talking about Egypt?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 28 Jan, 2014 09:50 am
There's a lot going on just now in Israel ...

Bennett: Palestinian state will destroy Israeli economy

Bennett blasts Netanyahu for 'dangerous' and 'irrational' ideas

PM to reprimand Bennett following spat over future of settlements

Housing minister defies government by organizing mass protest against peace process

It all started with Netanyahu's idea, published first in the "Times of Israel", when he thought he’d benefit by exposing the intransigent Palestinian insistence on a "Judenrein Palestine". But his own right wing get angrier, louder and faster now.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 28 Jan, 2014 08:48 pm
@Advocate,
It's not so much that I don't believe everything I see, but that you ignore all the facts and figures provided to you on this thread - from credible sources.
Advocate
 
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Tue 28 Jan, 2014 09:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You are very good at providing garbage. You mention an allegation that a Pal died when hit with a cannister, and call it murder. If the Pal died, it was an accident. You provide alleged figures of Pals killed by Israel, when the figures are labeled something else. You are a complete phony.

I wish your former Jewish employers knew what an anti-Semite you are.

BTW, the Pals whom you seem to love cheered when we were hit on 9/11. They target little children and old women. They persecute and murder Christians and gays. They even murder their wives and daughters. They essentially take no prisoners, but just murder their captives. You fit in with them very well.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 28 Jan, 2014 09:24 pm
@Advocate,
You're missing the mass of numbers of innocent Palestinians that Jews have killed. One may be determined to be an accident, but the numbers speak for themselves. Recent killing of Palestinian children were not accidental.

Palestinians killed, 90,895, Jews killed (accidentally or not) 24,845.

What has 9/11 have to do with the murderous actions of the Jews against the Palestinians?
Advocate
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 11:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
The 90,000 figure is crazy. BTW, the figures I saw combined the Pals killed with the non-Pals killed in, say, the '67 war.

BTW, why do you refer to "Jews" instead of Israelis? You don't say "Muslims" instead of Pals. More bigotry from a Jew hater?
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 29 Jan, 2014 12:12 pm
@Advocate,
Simple; it's the Jews in Israel killing innocent Palestinians.

I've not seen Jews in other countries treating anybody else as they do in Israel;
simply because that kind of treatment by one group over another is illegal, unethical, and inhuman.

If you don't believe it's over 90,000 Palestinians killed, provide a better source than your own opinion why that can't be true.

Romeo Fabulini
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 12:17 pm
Every American administration (Reps and Dems) have been propping up Israel for 60 years with cash and super-duper weaponry, no wonder muslims hate the US almost as much as they hate Israel and make America a terror target as 'Israel's friend'.
Don't Americans mind about chunks of their tax dollars going to Israel?
Below- Israel seizes Palestine in the Six-Day War with help from Uncle Sam-
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/shers-6-day_zps82ff6285.jpg~original
Foofie
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 12:25 pm
@Romeo Fabulini,
Romeo Fabulini wrote:

Every American administration (Reps and Dems) have been propping up Israel for 60 years with cash and super-duper weaponry, no wonder muslims hate the US almost as much as they hate Israel.
Hey yanks, how do you feel about chunks of your tax dollars going to Israel?


It is used to buy weapon systems from U.S. corporations. It props up the military industries. Do you think the military industries donate the hardware and systems as charity? Someone has to pay for it.
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Foofie
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 12:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I've not seen Jews in other countries treating anybody else as they do in Israel;
simply because that kind of treatment by one group over another is illegal, unethical, and inhuman.



What a hard job you are doing, keeping an eye on "Jews in other countries." One needs to be very dedicated to one's work, to watch so many Jews scattered around the world.

Do you have any advice, in the way of short-cuts, if I decide to watch all the Catholics world-wide? Probably not doable, due to their greater number. I can only discern that many are only really comfortable amongst other Catholics. They therefore might make very good false friends, if one is not Catholic, and looking for a false friend.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 12:37 pm
@Foofie,
Don't need to follow other countries with Jews; they behave like normal humans every place else.

Foofie
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 12:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Don't need to follow other countries with Jews; they behave like normal humans every place else.




You are not talking like an analyst. Jews in Israel are acting EXACTLY like Gentiles that own any country in the world, thoughout history.

In effect, having a "homeland" made Jews beome like Gentiles. Get it?
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 01:06 pm
@Foofie,
No, I don't 'GET IT.' It's illegal to steal other people's property in any democracy except Israel.

From countercurrents.org.
Quote:
Israeli Theft Of Palestinian Property

By Stephen Lendman

07 January, 2010
Countercurrents.org

Adalah, meaning justice in Arabic, is the legal center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel advocating through Israeli Supreme Court petitions; lawsuits and appeals to the District, Magistrate and Labor Courts; pre-petitions to the Attorney General; and various other ways to serve its constituency in a nation where only Jews have rights.

It also prepares publications and reports on vital issues of concern to Palestinians, including two recent ones on the theft of their property, an ongoing international law violation since Israel's "War of Independence" - a six-month atrocity that expelled about 800,000 people, massacred many others, destroyed 531 villages, 11 urban neighborhoods in cities like Tel-Aviv, Haifa and Jerusalem, and stole 78% of historic Palestine as the first step toward seizing it all for exclusive Jewish use.

For over 60 years, Israel has done it ruthlessly, incrementally, systematically, and illegally, intending at most to leave Palestinians cantonized and surrounded in the least valued portions, the rest being exclusively for Jews.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 01:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Bio on Stephen Lendman.
Quote:

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Foofie
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 01:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

No, I don't 'GET IT.' It's illegal to steal other people's property in any democracy except Israel.

From countercurrents.org.
Quote:
Israeli Theft Of Palestinian Property

By Stephen Lendman

07 January, 2010
Countercurrents.org

Adalah, meaning justice in Arabic, is the legal center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel advocating through Israeli Supreme Court petitions; lawsuits and appeals to the District, Magistrate and Labor Courts; pre-petitions to the Attorney General; and various other ways to serve its constituency in a nation where only Jews have rights.

It also prepares publications and reports on vital issues of concern to Palestinians, including two recent ones on the theft of their property, an ongoing international law violation since Israel's "War of Independence" - a six-month atrocity that expelled about 800,000 people, massacred many others, destroyed 531 villages, 11 urban neighborhoods in cities like Tel-Aviv, Haifa and Jerusalem, and stole 78% of historic Palestine as the first step toward seizing it all for exclusive Jewish use.

For over 60 years, Israel has done it ruthlessly, incrementally, systematically, and illegally, intending at most to leave Palestinians cantonized and surrounded in the least valued portions, the rest being exclusively for Jews.



I don't believe that you don't "get it." Once one owns land, people act differently as a land owner. Sort of like some people act differently behind the wheel of a car, than when they are just a pedestrian.

Or, how about the anology of Japanese in Japan do act differently than the Japanese that are not living in Japan. Notice that the Japanese in Japan might feel that they have hegemony over some islands that China claims also. And, you could care less about those islands. Owning land makes one different regardless of one's citizenship.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 02:48 pm
@Foofie,
This thread is not about Japan; it's about ISRAEL and Jews of Israel, and how they treat Palestinians - and kill them in great numbers.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 03:04 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:
BTW, the Pals whom you seem to love cheered when we were hit on 9/11.


This is true. It is also true Israeli fanatical settlers cheered strenuously and passed out sweets the way the Pals did. I found this out at the time via 2 Internet settlers who posted on the same forum; we'd had a rather cordial communication despite our ideological and political differences regarding the occupation and settlements.

The settlers despite getting American taxpayer aid in the billions are ungrateful and act like spoiled children. They only want to know "what has the US done for us lately, and help them get rid of the Palestinians off the land god gave the Jews."

But not only did the settlers applaud mightedly, but at the time of the actual attack, across the river in Jersey on top of the roofs were 5 illegal Israelis. They were filming the event and were whooping it up so loudly they disturbed the neighbors who called the police. This episode hit the papers and the illegals were tagged the Five Dancing Israelis. They were deported but we never had an update on the outcome which is normal when it comes to Israel.

So check your facts before making such sweeping statements, Advocate.
Advocate
 
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Wed 29 Jan, 2014 11:21 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Complete garbage!
 

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