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Illinois Governor Arrested

 
 
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 04:01 pm
@JPB,
Hey, JPB,

Who were you referring to earlier in the thread when you were talking about someone owning the local beer distributorship? I thought you may have been referring to the Jackson family but couldn't find any reference to it in any of their bios on Wikipedia.

Just curious, especially since that's also Cindy McCain's claim to fame.
slkshock7
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 04:09 pm
@JPB,
Quote:
Tony Rezko is all over the Chicago political scene. His relationship with Obama has been thoroughly investigated. His relationship with others continues to come out.


Mr. Rezko, meet Mr. Abramhoff...his relationship with Bush was thoroughly investigated years ago. His relationship with others continued until he went to prison. You may expect the same.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 04:36 pm
@Butrflynet,
Cindy mccain's family has one of the largest Bud distribs in the southwest.
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 04:37 pm
@Ragman,
Yes, I know this. JPB was referring to someone in Chicago.
Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 04:50 pm
@Butrflynet,
Found the post:

JPB wrote:

Why are you hoping that it isn't him in particular?

Please don't tell me that you think JJ and JJjr are dedicated public servants with no self interests.

When was the last time you went to a sporting, music, or other public event in Chicago and found anything to drink except Budweiser (except the Obama victory rally where alcohol of any kind was prohibited)? Who do you think owns the Budweiser distributorship for Chicagoland and has Very Lucrative Ties to the city for all public events? How do you suppose that distributorship came about?




Can you expound on this or tell me where I can learn more about it?
Tryst
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 04:56 pm
In the run-up to election day we heard a great deal about Tony Rezko*, and how his criminal associations reflected poorly on Obama. Little did we suspect then that the biggest crook Rezko knows is the governor of Illinois.

With the arrest of Governor Blagojevich, it becomes clear that Tony Rezko played a significant role in his arrest. Rezko's name appears 170 times in the criminal complaint against Blagojevich and Harris, and the FBI states early on (page 11) that he was cooperating with the investigation.

*Obama Has Acknowledged That Rezko Has Raised About $250,000 For His Campaigns. "For the first time, Sen. Barack Obama put a figure Friday to the amount of campaign contributions that indicted political fund-raiser Tony Rezko raised for the senator's campaigns, and the number -- about $250,000 -- was far more than he previously acknowledged." (Tim Novak, Chris Fusco, Dave McKinney and Carol Marin, "More Rezko Dough Found," Chicago Sun-Times, 3/15/08)

*As A State Senator, Barack Obama Wrote Letters To City And State Officials Supporting His Political Patron Tony Rezko's Successful Bid To Get More Than $14 Million From Taxpayers To Build Apartments For Senior Citizens." (Tim Novak, "Obama's Letters For Rezko," Chicago Sun-Times, 6/13/07)

*Obama Purchased His Chicago Home For $300,000 Less Than The Asking Price While Rezko's Wife, Rita Rezko, Purchased The Adjoining Lot For The Full Asking Price. "Two years ago, Obama bought a mansion on the South Side, in the Kenwood neighborhood, from a doctor. On the same day, Rezko's wife, Rita Rezko, bought the vacant lot next door from the same seller. The doctor had listed the properties for sale together. He sold the house to Obama for $300,000 below the asking price. The doctor got his asking price on the lot from Rezko's wife." (Tim Novak, "Obama And His Rezko Ties," Chicago Sun-Times, 4/23/07)


Where did the money come from?

*Auchi's Wire Transfer To Rezko Came Less Than Two Months Before The Obamas And Rita Rezko Closed On The Purchases Of The Obama Home And Adjoining Lot Respectively. "April 28, 2005: Mr. Auchi's conglomerate General Mediterranean Holding (GMH) lends $3.5 Million to Tony Rezko. ... June 15 2005: Mr. Rezko's wife Rita buys garden plot on same day as Obamas buy neighbouring mock Georgian mansion from same seller. Mrs. Rezko pays asking price of $625,000, with a $500,000 mortgage. Obamas pay $1.65 million, which is $300,000 less than the asking price." ("Timeline: British Billionaire And Barack Obama," [UK] Times Online, www.timesonline.co.uk, 2/25/08)

*Joseph Cari Pleaded Guilty In Conjunction With The Rezko Case. "Chicago restaurateur and real estate developer Antoin 'Tony' Rezko, one of Mr. Obama's first major political donors, was convicted in June on charges of using his Illinois connections to seek kickbacks from firms wanting to do business with the state - an investigation that also netted a guilty plea from Joseph Cari Jr., former national finance chairman for the Democratic National Committee and a longtime supporter and political adviser to Mr. Biden." (Jerry Seper, "Longtime Biden Backer Linked To Rezko," The Washington Times, 8/28/08)

Hello Joe!

*Cari Served As Biden's Midwest Field Director During His First Presidential Campaign In 1988. "When the Delaware senator began contemplating his own 2008 presidential run, he initially was helped by Chicago lawyer Joseph Cari Jr., who also served as Biden's Midwest field director in his failed 1988 bid for president." (Dave McKinney, "Biden Has Deep Ties To Rezko Accomplice," Chicago Sun-Times, 8/25/08)

The bird is still singing…

okie
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 05:46 pm
@Tryst,
Tryst wrote:

The bird is still singing…


And Obama has been warned about replacing Fitzgerald!
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 06:21 pm
@Tryst,
Tryst wrote:

In the run-up to election day we heard a great deal about Tony Rezko*, and how his criminal associations reflected poorly on Obama. Little did we suspect then that the biggest crook Rezko knows is the governor of Illinois.

You're obviously not from Illinois.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 06:27 pm
@joefromchicago,
The pundits are still trying to tag Obama to the IL gov by suggesting that the gov wouldn't have known about any "benefit" from awarding the senate seat to a favored candidate...even after Patrick Fitzgerald and Obama said there was no connections.

They continue to hunt for problems where none exists while our country is dropping like a dead rock to the bottom of the economic sea. There's no cure for stupid.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 06:50 pm
@cicerone imposter,


Obama is tied to the IL gov.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 07:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The pundits are still trying to tag Obama to the IL gov by suggesting that the gov wouldn't have known about any "benefit" from awarding the senate seat to a favored candidate...even after Patrick Fitzgerald and Obama said there was no connections.

They continue to hunt for problems where none exists while our country is dropping like a dead rock to the bottom of the economic sea. There's no cure for stupid.


sad, but true.

i expected as much from a few of the usual suspects on a2k. can't you just see them dancing about laffing insanely, rubbing their hands together in anticipation of "oinkbama" the "o boy" gettin' his; of course he deserves to be destroyed for being a democrat and even worse, only half white !

do they believe that, if disqualified to take the oath, obama's office would go to mccain ?

ummm, try again... j o e b i d e n.

but it is pretty bizarre to see people like david shuster sitting there doing sean hannity's job for him.

dunno..... blogojevich seemed to make it pretty clear that obama wasn't going to play ball by calling him a ************.

guess it's so easy people have to make it hard. duh.

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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 07:18 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



Obama is tied to the IL gov.


oh. well since you say it, it must be true.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 07:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

They continue to hunt for problems where none exists while our country is dropping like a dead rock to the bottom of the economic sea. There's no cure for stupid.

I can agree with the last sentence.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 10:10 pm
"Complaint Suggests Obama Might Have Caught Wind of Blagojevich Dealings

Barack Obama says he had no contact with Gov. Rod Blagojevich over his vacant Senate seat, but the sequence of events in the FBI complaint suggests he might have caught wind of the governor's alleged dealings."


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/11/obama-blago/

Anyone else notice Obama's explanation keeps changing from one parsed explanation to another? From I had no contact and my staff had no contact, to I did not, and my staff did not work on any kind of a deal, to now he will have his office compile any information of contacts with the governor to share with the public. All of this after Axelrod flat stated Obama had talked to the governor about the appointment, and the governor was caught on tape ranting about them not giving him anything, and discussing candidate numbers, plus there are other indications the two camps were talking. Plus it would be highly surprising if they had not discussed it, just common sense. It would be pretty interesting to see all of the data compiled with conflicting statements and evidence, but it is piling up on Mr. Obama rather severely.

Whether anything comes out of this, who knows, but a couple things seem obvious. First, Obama has been less than forthcoming or consistent, which brings his honesty under severe doubt. Secondly, if Obama is innocent, where is the indignation? And lastly, this is far from over, and I am very disappointed the country has to tolerate this mess for a new president, but I do not think this needed to happen if the press had properly vetted this guy.

Here is a quote from a man that I like and respect based upon what I know about him, Michael Steele, who is running for RNC Chairman:

"There's still a lot of questions out there," said Michael Steele, former Maryland lieutenant governor who is running for the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee. "I think the president-elect did try his best to sort of isolate himself from this. Now the staff and the folks who are representing him, that's a different issue."

And from the existing RNC Chairman:
"RNC Chairman Mike Duncan released a written statement Thursday accusing Obama of providing "less than forthcoming answers to simple questions" about Blagojevich.

"While it is encouraging that the President-elect has stated his office will disclose contacts with the scandal-ridden governor, it remains disappointing that his actions are in response to political pressure," he said. "

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revel
 
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Reply Fri 12 Dec, 2008 08:20 am
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Like every other politician in Illinois, Gov. Rod Blagojevich waited for Barack Obama's call this summer. He told colleagues that he expected a speaking role at the 2008 Democratic National Convention, a nice bit of payback for being the first governor to endorse the senator from Illinois in his campaign for president. By showing off a connection to Obama in Denver, Blagojevich hoped to repair his own diminished reputation.

Obama's campaign made speaking offers to the Illinois treasurer, the comptroller, the attorney general and a Chicago city clerk. Sen. Richard J. Durbin (Ill.) was asked to introduce Obama on the convention's final night; Rep. Jesse L. Jackson Jr. (Ill.) was told he would speak on television during prime time. Finally, fed up and embarrassed that he still had heard nothing, Blagojevich joked to a crowd at the Illinois State Fair that, yes, he also had been asked to speak -- at 4 a.m., in a Denver area men's bathroom.

Long before federal prosecutors charged Blagojevich with bribery this week, Obama had worked to distance himself from his home-state governor. The two men have not talked for more than a year, colleagues said, save for a requisite handshake at a funeral or public event. Blagojevich rarely campaigned for Obama and never stumped with him. The governor arrived late at the Democratic convention and skipped Obama's victory-night celebration at Chicago's Grant Park.

Even though they often occupied the same political space -- two young lawyers in Chicago, two power brokers in Springfield, two ambitious men who coveted the presidency -- Obama and Blagojevich never warmed to each other, Illinois politicians said. They sometimes used each other to propel their own careers but privately acted like rivals. Blagojevich considered Obama naive and pretentious and dismissed his success as "good luck." Obama disparaged Blagojevich for what he viewed as his combativeness, his disorganization and his habit of arriving at official events half an hour late.

Under different circumstances, friends said, Obama might have derived some satisfaction from seeing Blagojevich handcuffed for allegedly trying to sell off Obama's vacated Senate seat to the highest bidder. But, only six weeks after Obama won the presidency by casting himself as a reformer, the Blagojevich scandal is a jarring reminder that Obama's political origins are in a city and state long tainted by corruption.

Blagojevich was elected in 2002 as a reform governor, but he has faced a series of investigations and charges of ethical irregularities ever since.

"Obama saw this coming, and he was very cautious about not having dealings with the governor for quite some time," said Abner Mikva, a former congressman and appeals court judge who was Obama's political mentor in Chicago. "The governor was perhaps the only American public officeholder who didn't speak at the convention, and that wasn't by accident. He's politically poisonous. You don't get through Chicago like Barack Obama did unless you know how to avoid people like that."

But Obama and Blagojevich shared pieces of the Chicago political network, which is why this has been an uncomfortable week for Obama's presidential transition team. Senior adviser David Axelrod once advised Blagojevich. Antoin "Tony" Rezko, a developer who was convicted in June of fraud and money laundering, raised money for both men. Robert Blackwell Jr., a longtime Obama friend, served on Blagojevich's gubernatorial transition team. Blagojevich appointed one of Obama's closest confidants, Eric Whitaker, as director of the Illinois Department of Public Health.

The president-elect's connection to Blagojevich is emblematic of his political rise in Chicago. Obama had contact with corruption, but rarely firsthand. He relied on the establishment when he needed it, but he maintained enough distance to cast himself as an outsider.

"Few people I've ever known have as good a sense about who might end up getting you in trouble," said Denny Jacobs, a retired Illinois politician from East Moline who befriended Obama when they both served in the state Senate. "It's like a sixth sense. Chicago's a mess, and he was surrounded by it. But he knew the people that could drag you down and tarnish your image."

Even though they both began their careers in Chicago, Blagojevich and Obama operated on distinct tracks. Blagojevich, the son of a steelworker who was born in Serbia, grew up on the city's predominantly white North Side and rode a pair of buses with his mother to his first Chicago Cubs game. He married the daughter of a gritty, deal-making alderman and entered politics as an unapologetic product -- and representative -- of the Chicago Democratic machine. He drew support from the city's white middle class and was elected to the state legislature in 1992.

Obama, a transplant from Hawaii and New York City, moved into the progressive, integrated Hyde Park neighborhood and attended White Sox games on the South Side. In his campaign for state Senate, he cast himself as the righteous alternative to what he called "old-school politics" and pitched his case to a coalition of African Americans and Hyde Park's liberal upper class.

Obama and Blagojevich rarely interacted until Blagojevich ran for governor. Obama told his friends in Springfield that he was unimpressed by Blagojevich's résumé, and he tried to lobby his friend Durbin to enter the race before deciding to support Roland Burris in the Democratic primary.

"When Blagojevich beat me, I told Barack to get on board with him," Burris said. "It was kind of like swallowing his pride a little bit, because he didn't really see that they had anything in common."

About all Blagojevich and Obama shared was searing ambition, which is what occasionally brought them together. Obama recognized that a Democratic governor could help him pass legislation and build his résumé in anticipation of a U.S. Senate run, so he helped Blagojevich's campaign as an informal adviser. Once Blagojevich was elected, he and Obama formed an awkward, arranged marriage: Obama passed a steady succession of legislation and built his reputation as a power player in Springfield; Blagojevich signed the bills and took the center seat at celebratory news conferences.

It worked just fine, Springfield politicians said, until Obama started to eclipse Blagojevich as the rising star in Illinois politics. Blagojevich never endorsed Obama in his U.S. Senate bid in 2004, and he expressed a preference for two other Democratic candidates. On the campaign trail, Obama sometimes made a point to highlight his distance from Blagojevich and the rest of the administration. "Nobody sent me," he often told his crowds.

"The governor didn't offer his support, and to be honest, we didn't really ask for it," said Jim Cauley, a Kentucky native whom Obama hired to run his U.S. Senate campaign. "We weren't going to the old hall or chasing the county chairs. We wanted to show we weren't a part of that world."

While Obama prepared to deliver the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, a speech that would launch him to stardom, Blagojevich was back in Springfield watching his own reputation dissolve. After a poor first term, he fought over the state budget with Democratic leaders before flying to Boston and arriving an hour late at a party held in his honor. The event was sparsely attended. Obama made only a brief appearance.

"We have one salvation, and that is Barack," Jacobs, the state senator, said at the time. "It probably knocks Blagojevich down a peg from the leadership chart."

Not long thereafter, Obama started cultivating Illinois leadership of his own. He mentored a basketball buddy, Alexi Giannoulias, and supported his run for state treasurer. He befriended Attorney General Lisa Madigan and Comptroller Daniel W. Hynes. On one night in August, Obama boosted the gubernatorial hopes of all three by inviting each to speak during the opening night of the Democratic convention. Blagojevich watched from his seat.

As Obama went on to win the presidency and his rift with the Illinois governor crystallized, Blagojevich grew increasingly desperate. In phone calls reported in the criminal complaint, he pined for a spot in the Obama administration. Maybe, the governor reasoned, he could let Obama pick his own Senate successor in exchange for a job as an ambassador or as secretary of health and human services. Or maybe Obama could set up Blagojevich's wife, Patricia, with a cushy, high-paid position on a corporate board.

But Blagojevich's solicitations went nowhere, and it became clear that Obama had abandoned him for good.

"They're not willing to give me anything but appreciation," the governor told his chief of staff, John Harris. "[Expletive] them."








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JPB
 
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Reply Fri 12 Dec, 2008 08:45 am
@Butrflynet,
B'net -- I've only got a couple minutes this morning and by the time I get back to this later today there could be much more to tell about the Jackson family's involvement in all of this.

Brother Jonathan appears to be working overtime.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Dec, 2008 11:37 am
Rahm Emanuel strangely silent. It is apparent from what we are learning that he talked to the gov. or gave him a list, and does anyone believe Emanuel wasn't doing Obama's bidding?

Nothing obviously criminal on the surface in that, but why has Obama played so dumb? Including probably lying?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 12 Dec, 2008 12:05 pm
Quote:
Illinois attorney general asks court to act on governor

(CNN) -- Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan on Friday asked the state Supreme Court to remove Gov. Rod Blagojevich temporarily from office.

Madigan's office also asked the court to strip Blagojevich of duties, including appointing Barack Obama's Senate replacement.

"I recognize that this is an extraordinary request, but these are extraordinary circumstances," she said at a news conference Friday.

Magidan said the state government is being "paralyzed by a governor who is incapable of governing."

Blagojevich was arrested this week on federal corruption charges relating in part to the selection of a successor to Obama's vacant Senate seat.

The embattled governor met Friday morning with several pastors at his house on Chicago's North Side.

"We offered prayer with the family in the home," said the Rev. Marshall Hatch of Chicago's New Mount Pilgrim Missionary Baptist Church.

He said he and the Rev. Ira Acree, of South Side Chicago's Greater St. John Bible Church, and the Rev. Steve Jones arrived around 7:30 a.m. at the governor's house.

"We talked yesterday," he said, and "we offered to come by and pray with the family. They just asked for prayer, for he and the children, especially."

Blagojevich and his wife, Patti, have two daughters, Amy, 10, and Annie, 4.

Hatch said the governor gave no indication of his next move. "I think we were careful not to entertain that subject with him," Hatch said.

"We wanted to keep it pastoral, and we really just talked about some of the aspirational themes and history and how important it is to keep your faith in God in the toughest of times."

Key Illinois Democratic legislators have been circulating a letter urging support for the impeachment of Blagojevich.

State Rep. John Fritchey, head of the House Civil Judiciary Committee, sent out a letter asking Democratic colleagues to say by Friday whether they support a move for impeachment and would like to be added as a co-sponsor of legislation.

"Faced with a significant budget shortfall, a national recession and a vacant United States Senate seat, we cannot afford to allow Illinois to operate without effective leadership in the executive branch," said the letter, also signed by Reps. Thomas Holbrook, David Miller and James Brosnahan.

"Simply put, it is imperative to replace Gov. Blagojevich as soon as is practicable."

The letter said the impeachment filing was under preparation, and the lawmakers said they expected the process -- the state House would bring charges against Blagojevich, and the state Senate would try him -- would take "a matter of weeks, rather than months."

The lawmakers' move coincided with increasing calls for Blagojevich's resignation.

Obama called again Thursday for Blagojevich to step down, saying the embattled governor can no longer effectively serve the people of Illinois.

"I hope that the governor himself comes to the conclusion that he can no longer effectively serve and that he does resign," Obama said, speaking ahead of announcing his pick to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle.

Obama said he was as "appalled and disappointed as anyone" by the allegations against the Democratic governor and said he was confident none of his staff members were involved in the alleged scandal.

Federal officials allege Blagojevich was looking to sell or trade Obama's open seat in the U.S. Senate.

Obama said he had never spoken to the governor on the subject, adding he was confident that "no representatives of mine would have any part of any deals related to this seat."

He had asked his staff to gather the facts of any contacts with the governor's office about the vacancy, he said.

"This Senate seat does not belong to any politician to trade. It belongs to the people of Illinois, and they deserve the best possible representation," he said. "They also deserve to know that any vacancy will be filled in an appropriate way so that whoever is sent to Washington is going to be fighting for the people of Illinois."
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Fri 12 Dec, 2008 12:21 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Rahm Emanuel strangely silent. It is apparent from what we are learning that he talked to the gov. or gave him a list, and does anyone believe Emanuel wasn't doing Obama's bidding?

Nothing obviously criminal on the surface in that, but why has Obama played so dumb? Including probably lying?


1) if he has no involvement, why is it "strange" that he has remained silent?

2) could you, please, document where Obama has been "probably lying"?

Btw, I love the way you handle sly innuendos. "Nothing obviously criminal." "Probably lying." Masterful. You cover your tail at every opportunity, don'cha? Nobody could ever accuse you being anything but fair and unbiased. I admire that.
JPB
 
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Reply Fri 12 Dec, 2008 12:56 pm
@wandeljw,
Blagojevich's Chief of Staff, John Harris, has resigned.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081212/ap_on_re_us/illinois_governor_chief_resigns
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