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California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

 
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jan, 2012 08:20 pm
Op-ed: It’s Time to Win in Maine

http://www.advocate.com/Politics/Commentary/Oped_Its_Time_to_Win_in_Maine/

(I personally went out and collected a few hundred of those signatures.)

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jan, 2012 08:39 pm
@RexRed,
Rex, There's an interesting article in this morning's newspaper about freshmen college students are more liberal than in the past, and they approve of gay marriage, approve abortion, marijuana should be legalized, undocumented immigrants should be denied access to public education, and students from disadvantaged homes should have preference for college.

That seems to imply that even though the conservatives may vote against these liberal ideas now, eventually, the majority will vote these rights for all Americans.

I think we can see the trend in the approval of gay marriage by more states.

RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jan, 2012 09:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Rex, There's an interesting article in this morning's newspaper about freshmen college students are more liberal than in the past, and they approve of gay marriage, approve abortion, marijuana should be legalized, undocumented immigrants should be denied access to public education, and students from disadvantaged homes should have preference for college.

That seems to imply that even though the conservatives may vote against these liberal ideas now, eventually, the majority will vote these rights for all Americans.

I think we can see the trend in the approval of gay marriage by more states.




Give them a few years of Fox News and they will be transformed into sheeple like the others. (sorry I am so cynical)
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 02:45 am
MAINE: If successful, this would be the first state in America to approve marriage equality via the ballot box!
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 02:49 am
Growing number of Republicans join gay marriage cause

http://www.wirenh.com/news-mainmenu-4/11-news-general/5488-growing-number-of-republicans-join-gay-marriage-cause.html
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 02:54 am
Don't deny us same-sex marriage laws, says Martina Navratilova

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/dont-deny-us-same-sex-marraige-laws-says-martina-navratilova/story-fn6bn88w-1226254744774
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 03:12 am
Marriage ‘will happen in 2012′

http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/australia-news/new-south-wales-news/2011/12/28/marriage-will-happen-in-2012/68652

Also
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 03:33 am
Maine Marriage Campaign Launch - Pastor Michael Gray

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 07:18 pm
@RexRed,
I hope that things work out for you and others in November.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 07:23 pm
@RexRed,
A brave soul. I applaud his courage, and his understanding of discrimination over some religious teachings.
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 07:46 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

A brave soul. I applaud his courage, and his understanding of discrimination over some religious teachings.


That was a really insightful thing to say CI, kudos to you.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 08:02 pm
City Council unanimously opposes proposed marriage amendment

http://www.minneapolismn.gov/news/WCMS1P-085393

More people to be commended for their brave stand...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 08:20 pm
Gay marriage vote on the way

http://www.wcsh6.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1416520825001
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 08:32 pm
From a facebook post (a bit of sarcasm)

Ten Reasons To Be Against Equal Marriage Rights...
(if this offends you please look up the words IRONY, SARCASM and SATIRE).

1) Being gay is not natural.Human beings always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, liposuction and air conditioning.

2) Equal marriage rights will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will encourage people to be tall.

3) Legalizing same sex marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if same sex marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

6) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only ever raise straight children.

8) Same sex marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion.

9) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Same sex marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans...

Re-post this if you believe in equal marriage rights for all.
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 08:44 pm
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 09:21 pm
NOM Pledges Opposition To Gay Marriage In Maine

http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=10775&MediaType=1&Category=26

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failures art
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 11:06 pm
It seem like a more and more groups of religious people aren't waiting for their clergy to catch up. I see more and more examples of religious people shedding the dogma, and embracing their care for their LGBT community. Came across this today and found it pretty moving.

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How does the Church communicate God’s love to the gay community?

This past weekend Chicago, along with many other US cities, celebrated Gay Pride with a parade. As a part of the weekend, Nathan and a group of over 30 Christians from various Chicago churches went to demonstrate at the Gay Pride Parade with the Marin Foundation.

Their demonstration was much different, though.

While the most vocal “Christian” presence at the parade was in the form of protesters with “God Hates Fags” signs, Nathan and a team from the Marin Foundation took a different approach… they chose to apologize.

The volunteers wore black t-shirts with the phrase “I’m Sorry” on the front and held signs with messages of apology, on behalf of all Christians, for the way the church has treated the gay community.

While the ultimate message Jesus came to preach was one of love, grace and compassion, we’ve sadly misrepresented Him and alienated sons and daughters from their Father’s embrace… and I’m so excited to see how Nathan and his team took a different, humble approach and in the end, did something far more powerful than preaching or shouting… they showed love.

Nathan posted a story from the Pride Parade outreach on his blog that absolutely needs to be heard…Here’s some excerpts…

What I loved most about the day is when people “got it.” I loved watching people’s faces as they saw our shirts, read the signs, and looked back at us. Responses were incredible. Some people blew us kisses, some hugged us, some screamed thank you. A couple ladies walked up and said we were the best thing they had seen all day.

Watching people recognize our apology brought me to tears many times. It was reconciliation personified.

My favorite though was a gentleman who was dancing on a float. He was dressed solely in white underwear and had a pack of abs like no one else. As he was dancing on the float, he noticed us and jokingly yelled, “What are you sorry for? It’s pride!” I pointed to our signs and watched him read them.

Then it clicked.

Then he got it.

He stopped dancing. He looked at all of us standing there. A look of utter seriousness came across his face. And as the float passed us he jumped off of it and ran towards us. He hugged me and whispered, “thank you.”

I think a lot of people would stop at the whole “man in his underwear dancing” part. That seems to be the most controversial. It’s what makes the evening news. It’s the stereotype most people have in their minds about Pride.

Sadly, most Christians want to run from such a sight rather than engage it. Most Christian won’t even learn if that person dancing in his underwear has a name. Well, he does. His name is Tristan.

However, I think Jesus would have hugged him too. It’s exactly what I read throughout scripture: Jesus hanging out with people that religious people would flee from. Correlation between then and now? I think so.

Acceptance is one thing. Reconciliation is another. Sure at Pride, everyone is accepted (except perhaps the protestors). There are churches that say they accept all. There are business that say the accept everyone. But acceptance isn’t enough. Reconciliation is.

Reconciliation forces one to remember the wrongs committed and relive constant pain. Yet it’s more powerful and transformational because two parties that should not be together and have every right to hate one another come together for the good of one another, for forgiveness, reconciliation, unity.

What I saw and experienced at Pride 2010 was the beginning of reconciliation. It was in the shocked faces of gay men and women who did not ever think Christians would apologize to them.

I hugged a man in his underwear. I hugged him tightly. And I am proud.


What’s so cool about this story is that when Nathan posted the picture it lit up on Facebook and someone recognized Tristan and Tristan got in touch with Nathan yesterday afternoon. He said that all he could talk about from his experience at the Pride Parade was meeting Nathan and all of the Christians who were there to say they were sorry.

He was moved and he and Nathan are going to meet up later this week for coffee.

That’s what it’s all about. Who knows what will happen or what will come of this, but one life was impacted and countless seeds were planted in the hearts of many.

Pray for Tristan and Nathan’s conversation and pray that this will be the beginning of a movement of reconciliation between the Church and the gay community. UPDATE 07/06/10: Nathan posted an interview with Tristan on his blog!

Huge props to Nathan, Kevin, Andrew, everyone at the Marin Foundation, and those who courageously joined them this weekend in taking Christ’s love to a place most Christians would run away from. Thanks for being an example and setting a high bar for the rest of us to follow.

How is your church communicating to the gay community? Maybe we need to start with a humble apology.

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http://www.timschraeder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/imsorryshirts.jpg
http://www.timschraeder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/marin1.jpg
http://www.timschraeder.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/tristan.jpg

To me, I feel this is a major victory. It's the generational inevitability that we've been talking about for a long time: That largely today's youth find it alien to hate a person because they are gay.

Slightly unrelated, but today on Facebook I saw something. A former friend of mine--I say former because he decided I was an evil threat to the Christian nation of the USA--was being berated and called out for his racism, sexism, religious bigotry, and his homophobic rhetoric by other conservatives. Not the east coast Republicans I share drinks with here in DC, the hometown Springfield Missouri conservatives. Conservatives from the city and even the exact church of John Ashcroft. Baby, we've come a long way.

It's only a matter of time.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 11:14 pm
@failures art,
I'm wondering what impact this will have against conservatives who still advocate for marriage against gays and lesbians?
failures art
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jan, 2012 11:18 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think the answer is that their support is evaporating. Even younger conservatives don't have a taste for it. The message, like with race, is going to be: You're on the right side of history or you're an embarrassment.

We're only so far from the GOP fully embracing this. I really believe this. I believe this because Republicans will come to admit that it's more of a political liability to hate on gays (like booing gay soldiers) than to simply embrace them and go for their vote on other topics.

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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 28 Jan, 2012 12:38 am
Archbishop of York John Sentamu slams same-sex marriage

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16771101

But it is ok for him to marry his male deity? Go figure...
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