California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

@RexRed,

I hope you realise Rex that you have just granted permission to others to take a similar line about homosexuals. I have refrained from doing so as I think it a gross impertinence to accuse people of faking it.

I presume you think it's okay for you to do it but if conservatives do it back about homosexuality in men I'm sure you would be highly indignant.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I hope you realise Rex that you have just granted permission to others to take a similar line about homosexuals. I have refrained from doing so as I think it a gross impertinence to accuse people of faking it.

I presume you think it's okay for you to do it but if conservatives do it back about homosexuality in men I'm sure you would be highly indignant.

Evidence.... Spendi. The republicans have made no efforts (lately) to hide their hatred for entitlements, the very crux of Christianity...

While they openly profess that they would leave the elderly and disabled to die in the ditch. What is your evidence to imply that liberals are being fake about their desire to help the poor. The liberals voted unanimously for universal healthcare while the repugs voted nearly unanimously against it. The proof is in the pudding.

While the repugs have insisted that middle class tax payers pay for entitlements while most big corporations are exempt from paying any taxes in most cases... It seems your points have no evidence to back them up. We give the rich a break and over tax the poor. Who is fake?

While repugs openly, try to deny gays basic human rights and fight collective bargaining you have no leg to stand on. So yea bring it on!

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@RexRed,

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What is your evidence to imply that liberals are being fake about their desire to help the poor.

I see a great number of them who have made a very good career out of displaying a concern for the poor. Many have refurbished dead or dying careers.

Which is to say nothing about the millions who do help the poor, unsung and even without even expecting to be thanked. And they are not the sort of liberals I am referring to.

I'm referring to the bleeding hearts on TV who live the fat-cat lifestyle. I think they fake their concern--yes. I think it is a government duty to help the poor and any self-publicising amateurs assist the government to neglect this duty to an extent because the responsibility looks to be divided.

If one of these persons of superior virtue comes ostentatiously into the pub shaking a tin in your face are you sure that putting a £2 coin in it helps the poor more than buying a pint with it?

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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What is your evidence to imply that liberals are being fake about their desire to help the poor.

I see a great number of them who have made a very good career out of displaying a concern for the poor. Many have refurbished dead or dying careers.

Which is to say nothing about the millions who do help the poor, unsung and even without even expecting to be thanked. And they are not the sort of liberals I am referring to.

I'm referring to the bleeding hearts on TV who live the fat-cat lifestyle. I think they fake their concern--yes. I think it is a government duty to help the poor and any self-publicising amateurs assist the government to neglect this duty to an extent because the responsibility looks to be divided.

If one of these persons of superior virtue comes ostentatiously into the pub shaking a tin in your face are you sure that putting a £2 coin in it helps the poor more than buying a pint with it?

"quality of fruit".

CONSERVATIVE
If you live a good lifestyle, rich and affluent and, you vote against helping the poor... you are sour and bitter fruit.

(Conservatives seem to not mind starving babies, leaving them with no healthcare... because they are poor... as long as mothers can't abort more starving babies.) Figure that one out.

LIBERAL
IF you are rich and affluent AND you devote your heart and prosperity towards helping others, hiring workers and paying them well, sharing of your abundance... this is fruit of the finest quality.

Choice and sharing, caring, nurturing and sensitive to those in need, these are the qualities of what a "family" is like. Liberals epitomize this idea. The republicans talk about family values as they reject the community while pigeon-holed in their archaic religiosity. A nation that cares for its people is healthy and vibrant, uniform and peaceful, like-minded (open minded), unified.

Galatians 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

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@RexRed,

Conservatives and their fake sentiments for the unborn have no concern for the already living and their SOCIAL well being.. So their pretend care for the unborn is nothing but grandstanding and bears no true sentiment WHATSOEVER. Puppets for the corporations (and the religious freaks) noting more nothing less. Zombies and in god we trust MONEY grubbing drones... Semantics are moot when the ONLY motive is greed...
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Unborn children are helpless creatures, and are at the mercy of any abortionist at any stage in its development, whereas living people are creatures of ability who should stand on their own and not depend on government robbing me for their sustenance. There are no conservatives that I know of who are working to abort the lives of anyone who is out of the womb and able to fend for themselves. Your demagoguery is transparent, my friend.

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@RexRed,

A nation that cares for its people is healthy and vibrant, uniform and peaceful, like-minded (open minded), unified.

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Can you name one nation in the world that fits that description? Of course you can't because some people will never be that type of person.

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love means, you love the illegal immigrant, you love the terrorist, you love your enemies as silly or totally misguided as they may seem. You love all people in spite of their sadness.

Joy means, that because you have such great love, you then have joy... and peace... and thus you can suffer long and forbear tribulation without feeling weary or tired, and you live this love with gentleness, goodness and faith in the spirit.

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@RexRed,

The point is that I don't love the same people you and your kind might love, my friend. The people I love are moral people who believe in voluntary charity, not forcible robbery by government to benefit others.

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@Josef cv,

Josef cv wrote:

The point is that I don't love the same people you and your kind might love, my friend. The people I love are moral people who believe in voluntary charity, not forcible robbery by government to benefit others.

Moral by whose standards?

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Pray don't find fault

Pray don't find fault with the man who limps
or stumbles along the road,
unless you have worn the shoes he wears
or struggled beneath his load.
There may be tacks in his shoes that hurt,
though hidden away from view,
or the burden he bears, placed on your back
might cause you to stumble too.
Don't sneer at the man who's down today
unless you have felt the blow
that caused his fall or felt the shame
that only the fallen know.
You may be strong, but still the blows
that were his if dealt to you,
in the selfsame way, at the selfsame time,
might cause you to stagger too.
Don't be too harsh with the man who sins
or pelt him with word or stone,
unless you are sure, yea, doubly sure,
that you have no sins of your own
for you know perhaps if the tempter's voice
should whisper as softly to you
as it did to him when he went astray,
it might cause you to stumble too.

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@RexRed,

Certainly not yours, my friend.

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@Josef cv,

Josef cv wrote:

Certainly not yours, my friend.

and what makes your moral code and better than mine exactly?

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@RexRed,

Why do you insist that charity should be compulsory and administered by the government? There are millions of people who would be more than glad to give part of their property to those who are truly in need of assistance, but who balk at being forced to do so by your socialist government agents. Most welfare is unnecessary if the government would get out of the way and let people, family, churches, and other beneficial organizations deal with it in a voluntary way.

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@RexRed,

Because yours is immoral, my friend.

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@RexRed,

Why is it greed for a man to want to keep the fruit of his labor, but not greed for a man to want the government to take it by force and give it to him?

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josef cv said:

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Why do you insist that charity should be compulsory and administered by the government? There are millions of people who would be more than glad to give part of their property to those who are truly in need of assistance, but who balk at being forced to do so by your socialist government agents. Most welfare is unnecessary if the government would get out of the way and let people, family, churches, and other beneficial organizations deal with it in a voluntary way.

Absolutely false. You ignore the lessons of history. The "voluntary way" never, ever, did very much to help the problem. If you analogize helping the needy, to, say, filling up the Grand Canyon, private charity helped enough to fill a pothole in the street. You, like most conservatives have a totally romanticized and inaccurate view of the "good old days".

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@Josef cv,

Josef cv wrote:

Why is it greed for a man to want to keep the fruit of his labor, but not greed for a man to want the government to take it by force and give it to him?

Because wealth come from society and is a gift from society and this gift should be given back in creative ways and you also know what they say about gift horses.

Even though you work for it it is still a gift from society as a whole.

Like a talent that is not fulfilled by art or a light that is hidden so others stumble in the darkness... so is it that horded wealth that is gained in liberty should be destined for charity. Why would society give wealth to something that did not care in return to contribute the same courtesy back to society? Why would society employ its enemy to facilitate its own demise?

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@Josef cv,

Josef cv wrote:

Because yours is immoral, my friend.

Or, yours is fanatical right wing turd brained dogma..

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@MontereyJack,

Can you verify any of this bilgewater you're splashing around? You make bold proclamations, but don't give the slightest documentation. What's up with you?

Why do you want to force other people to do your will? It isn't your business what other people do with their property.

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@RexRed,

You're off your rocker, my friend, you have been conditioned by your teachers to believe in the old Marxist, utopian dream of a society controlled by a clique of people who allegedly know better than most people what is good for the general population. It isn't the purview of any government to care for everyone from cradle to grave by stripping one segment of the population for the benefit of another. People who must depend on the kindness of strangers, and accept it as a way of living ARE scum, and those like you who advocate that sort of totalitarian control of peoples' lives are no better.

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