California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

It is probably best that we did not bring up Sigmund Freud because it may bring back bad memories of rigid toilet-training practices for some members!

Do you think there is really a "closet"? If we are born the way we are, isn't that fact already innate?

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@RexRed,

Rex I was not being serious! My home phone is down and my internet is a miracle if this reply gets threw.
I should be up and running by tuesday!

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

reasoning logic wrote:

It is probably best that we did not bring up Sigmund Freud because it may bring back bad memories of rigid toilet-training practices for some members!

Do you think there is really a "closet"? If we are born the way we are, isn't that fact already innate?

I do think that there are some in the closet meaning that some do not want to confront this ignorant world that we live in.

Please forgive all the ignorant people. I was one of them and I still am in other areas that are not about gays!

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Does this seem important to you? It does and some what does not to me!

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@RexRed,

RexRed wrote:

Do you think there is really a "closet"? If we are born the way we are, isn't that fact already innate?

I think there is a closet, but its more a consequence of public attitudes than anything else.

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@RexRed,

Hey Rex I know you have a love for music and wondered what you think about this lady.
I looked up many other songs that she sang but this was the only one I thought that she did well on!
Not saying she did bad on the others but that the others did not click with me!

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This is a very young gay lady that can use all the inspiration that people are willing to give her and it seems that she is able to give back ten fold! Wink

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@RexRed,

It is a shame what religion can do to a mind!

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@reasoning logic,

It doesn't matter what religion can do to a mind. What matters is what it does to a consensus of minds. Religion does many things to individual minds and in the majority of cases it is useful. Your selecting the effect, as it is supposed by you, on one mind is proof that you haven't a single scientific cell in your body. And that you don't think your audience has either.

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@spendius,

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. Religion does many things to individual minds

You are living proof of this so I need no more evidence than what you have already presented!

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Hi Rex I just discovered a very smart lady that I thought you may find interesting!
By the way why do all the gays have to be the smart ones, why cant we have more of them that are heterosexual?

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@reasoning logic,

reasoning logic wrote:

Hi Rex I just discovered a very smart lady that I thought you may find interesting!
By the way why do all the gays have to be the smart ones, why cant we have more of them that are heterosexual?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOPFHD7azcI&feature=channel_video_title[/youtube]

I am not certain but it may be possible to believe and not believe at the same time.

The bible also says we cannot serve two masters. But... We do have two different sides of the brain existing in one head. One side with the so called "god spot" that "senses a presence" and one side of the brain being fact oriented and ones side that is a bit more creative with facts.

So it seems belief, depending on frame of mind and reference at the time can drift.

For instance when I think of the feeling of a godlike presence I can sense a being but when I think of the bible and all of the terrible errors and evil perpetrated against society I suddenly sense and experience a feeling of dis or unbelief in God.

So my belief can be contoured depending on the angle I approach it.

When I see radical religious people showing hate I respond by shutting the door on any possible belief in their god but when I see a person suffering and in need of help I may sometimes call upon God just in case it could help them.

This has led me to the state where I profess that I just don't know.

Until I also see God I will remain in the state where I will believe and don't believe depending on the situation. Some kind of God is possible, maybe even probable but not a certainty.

Thus at any given time I can believe and not believe at the same time. This is the very meaning of ambiguity. The human heart has been wrong before and is based upon feelings and not always truth or facts. The only line that really is crossed is in the presence of God. It is all really speculation and imagination till that point.

It is not that we change our minds and become split but we have a landscape of belief that is contoured by various perspectives lurking in the psyche.

This is the term "being on the fence" half in belief and half in non belief. The mind can be illusive and mysterious and the bearer can be unaware of the hidden motives buried within the subconscious. If it were not for this ambiguity life would have never evolved or become extinct long ago.

Well being at zero is exactly that, believing and not believing at the same time. Less than zero and you even more-so disbelieve or believe even less and greater than zero you believe or have greater faith.

I believe that zero is the most honest of the three.

So yes you can believe and not believe at the very same time where each side of them mind is of a different equal and opposite persuasion. So at that point it is truly up to "God" to tip the scales either way.

As we age some grow closer to their belief and some more distant by the feeling of abandonment. Yet there will always be ambiguity to allow the heart the freedom to be both within and without at the same time.

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@RexRed,

According to William Empson there are seven types of ambiguity--

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# The first type of ambiguity is the metaphor, that is, when two things are said to be alike which have different properties. This concept is similar to that of metaphysical conceit.
# Two or more meanings are resolved into one. Empson characterizes this as using two different metaphors at once.
# Two ideas that are connected through context can be given in one word simultaneously.
# Two or more meanings that do not agree but combine to make clear a complicated state of mind in the author.
# When the author discovers his idea in the act of writing. Empson describes a simile that lies halfway between two statements made by the author.
# When a statement says nothing and the readers are forced to invent a statement of their own, most likely in conflict with that of the author.
# Two words that within context are opposites that expose a fundamental division in the author's mind.

I think Rex that you participate in all of them.

A scientist would call it confusion. Others might say it is having it any way you want depending upon how you're feeling at the time.

A belief in God is independent of whether He is good or evil.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

According to William Empson there are seven types of ambiguity--

Quote:
# The first type of ambiguity is the metaphor, that is, when two things are said to be alike which have different properties. This concept is similar to that of metaphysical conceit.
# Two or more meanings are resolved into one. Empson characterizes this as using two different metaphors at once.
# Two ideas that are connected through context can be given in one word simultaneously.
# Two or more meanings that do not agree but combine to make clear a complicated state of mind in the author.
# When the author discovers his idea in the act of writing. Empson describes a simile that lies halfway between two statements made by the author.
# When a statement says nothing and the readers are forced to invent a statement of their own, most likely in conflict with that of the author.
# Two words that within context are opposites that expose a fundamental division in the author's mind.

I think Rex that you participate in all of them.

A scientist would call it confusion. Others might say it is having it any way you want depending upon how you're feeling at the time.

A belief in God is independent of whether He is good or evil.

Two words that within context are opposites that expose a fundamental division in the author's mind.

Comment: Yea that! Smile

God, He/She says one thing and then the compete opposite in context...

What are we to do but remain uncertain?

Quote Spendi: Others might say it is having it any way you want depending upon how you're feeling at the time.

Comment: God tells us he/she is the anther of our faith and that he/she cannot lie yet the bible is full of unscientific suppositions that might just as well be lies.

When God can contradict him/herself regularly it seems the haphazard "image of God" portrayed in the Bible is one of a sociopath... The Bible exhorts us to "put on the same mind and image..." Is ambiguity the closest thing to holiness?

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@RexRed,

I think you ought to have a careful read of the Bible and some knowledge of the environment in which it was written.

Anybody might think that the greatest piece of literature that we have can be undermined by a few throwaway sound bites. You might as well chip away at Mt.Everest with a toothpick Rex.

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@spendius,

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I think you ought to have a careful read of the Bible and some knowledge of the environment in which it was written.

I do think you are correct because if you do not use logic your mind will be all over the place when it comes to seeing what is real and the lies that we have been taught. We do not need any help from others to see or understand things incorrectly because our brain is capable of doing a good job of that by it's self!

A course in religious studies is always nice!

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

I think you ought to have a careful read of the Bible and some knowledge of the environment in which it was written.

Anybody might think that the greatest piece of literature that we have can be undermined by a few throwaway sound bites. You might as well chip away at Mt.Everest with a toothpick Rex.

It is not me who is chipping away at the Bible... it is the religions THEMSELVES and their division with each other that easily achieves that. I just step back and wonder at the spectacle and folly.

Catholic, Lutheran, Jew, Muslim, Methodist, Baptist, Pentecostal, Mormon?

There is so much division that has sprung from the Bible that ambiguity is purely evident and without need for further embellishment really.

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread." Alexander Pope

That is what they get for trying to STUDY God (zero)...

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