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California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 12:21 pm
@RexRed,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ANrvQC4wIk&feature=related
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 01:27 pm
@reasoning logic,
How long does it take the audience's toes to get uncurled after that stuff rl?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 01:42 pm
@spendius,
It would depend on your religion. It was just someone's point of view about homophobia
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 01:48 pm
@reasoning logic,
Gee!! I thought it homophobic.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 12:14 am
On a somewhat-related note, I thought this story from MSN was interesting. It looks like Spendius, and the Catholic Church, and the anti-gay marriage folks are losing the younger generations, just as the polls show. The anti-gay frenzy goes down steeply, the younger you are. And they basically don't give much of a **** WHAT the church says if they don't think it's fair.

Maybe all we need to do is wait until Pope Benedict, and Sarah Palin, and Jerry Falwell die off (well he's kicked the bucket already, he was always claiming god caused natural disasters because we were doing immoral stuff that ticked him off, maybe god offed Falwell because he thought he was a natural disaster), so we can get a little anity around here.
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Students protest Springfield teacher's resignation
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-SPRINGFIELD, Mass. -- The controversial resignation of a high school dean and athletic director led to a passionate protest in Springfield Sunday.

Christine Judd quit Cathedral High School after marrying her same sex partner over the summer, and some of the demonstrators believe her sudden departure wasn't fair

Students say Judd stepped down Friday after 12 years of service because of her marriage over the summer to her same sex partner.

“When I found out she was terminated and I found out why she was terminated, I was outraged and disgusted with the decision that was made,” said student Martin Boyle. “They have people working for them who are divorced, they have people who are using contraceptives, they have students who go to the school who are pregnant, and they don't make them leave, so why should they decide to act on those principles now?”

The spokesman for the Springfield Diocese says the students' accusations are just speculation, and this is not a moral issue, but an employment issue.

Judd agreed to abide by school policy, which clearly indicates that administration members must uphold the doctrine and teachings of the Catholic Church.

“She has acknowledged to her credit, that she undertook actions this past summer, which were in violation of an agreement she freely accepted. Casting aside what she did, the nub of the issue is that we ask people to make agreements and we ask people to keep those agreements,” said Springfield Catholic Diocese spokesperson Mark Dupont.

Student protesters disagreed.

“If we're going to preach tolerance, we need to practice tolerance and I think the old ways are prohibiting us from doing that. We just think it's time for the church to progress,” said Alexandra Nicolai

Parishioners also weighed in.

“I hear them screaming out there and they're absolutely correct. Who are we to judge? That's one of the main things we believe in church. We are not the ones to judge anybody, because God Almighty does that,” Tatiana Flores said.

At this time, it's unclear if Judd will take any legal action
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:04 am
@MontereyJack,
I don't talk about identifiable people having "kicked the bucket" or being "offed".

If young people are so wise why are they not being voted into high office? Why are homosexuals not voted into high office. Why are those in high office so careful to present the "family man" image to the public. And not simply in Catholic countries. I think Catholics are more tolerant of homosexuals than communists or fascists.

Why do you arraign Mr Falwell for making daft statements and then claim God agrees with you and align Him with (s)anity.

I've seen a picture of the "protest". What % of the school's students took part? And how do you know they are not eager to protest anything and this is merely an excuse? Do you know anything about the dynamics of protest?

In what role are the asserted divorcees in the school? How does Mr Boyle know who is using contraceptives? Pregnant students are hardly role models as Ms Judd obviously was. She seems to have been provocative. How could the Catholic authorities duck such a full-frontal challenge from a high profile teacher? Her position makes the challenge all the more serious.

She undermined herself and deliberately. The lewd jests she would have to face would detract from her authority and from that of the school. She threw herself on the fire.

Are you arguing Jack that everytime a handful of protesters take to the sidewalks down a street somewhere with their placards and screeching the authorities should just lie down and submit? Do you favour anarchy?

And are you saying that your oversimplified presentation of the events is the total picture?

I hope Ms Judd takes legal action.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:08 am
Do parents of female students want a militantly self-outed lesbian in charge of their daughter's sport and physical education?
engineer
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 06:17 am
@spendius,
Is she good at teaching sports and physical education? I expect all teachers to keep their politics out of the classroom, so I don't see why this would be any different.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 06:19 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

If young people are so wise why are they not being voted into high office? Why are homosexuals not voted into high office. Why are those in high office so careful to present the "family man" image to the public.

Because candidates are elected on popularity, not merit.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 10:57 am
@engineer,
That also sounds like the English form of elections.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 11:13 am
@engineer,
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Is she good at teaching sports and physical education? I expect all teachers to keep their politics out of the classroom, so I don't see why this would be any different.


I asked about "parents" not just you. So you have failed to answer the question and I can guess the reason for your evasion.

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Because candidates are elected on popularity, not merit.


We know what popularity is. We measure it. We don't know what merit is. Your merit won't be mine. Not with evasions like the above. That was a demerit goodstyle. So you need a merit quanta to get back to zero.

spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 11:14 am
@cicerone imposter,
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That also sounds like the English form of elections.


It's everybody's surely?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 11:16 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

spendius wrote:

If young people are so wise why are they not being voted into high office? Why are homosexuals not voted into high office. Why are those in high office so careful to present the "family man" image to the public.

Because candidates are elected on popularity, not merit.


I am glad people are to keep Spendius in check while I am off.

I know of quite a few gay mayors and I think there is a cross dressing transsexual mayor in California if I am not mistaken. But with so much hateful church money being poured into elections it is no wonder gays are once again discriminated against for higher public office.

If there is separation of church and state why is so much church money making it into our elections, thus, influencing the final results? Thus it is not a democracy but some weird breed of predator parasite churches pulling the strings of our government. I think young educated people don't want to live in a world like this. They opposes the churches in nearly everything and so do I.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 11:20 am
@RexRed,
It's the way of the world Rex. I'd get used to it if I was you.
RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 11:32 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

It's the way of the world Rex. I'd get used to it if I was you.


I think it is the churches who will need to get used to a growing population that opposes them.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 01:28 pm
@RexRed,
That's as maybe but they have got used to a lot of things before.

I think the opposition might thrive more if you lot got off the case and were content to let things drift. What's your prognosis when the churches are demolished and if you're not campaigning for that you are up a gum tree.
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 01:35 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

I asked about "parents" not just you. So you have failed to answer the question and I can guess the reason for your evasion.

I am a parent with school age children, so I think my opinion has as merit. If you want to speculate about all "parents" then I guess you can assign them any opinion you want since no one can know for sure.

spendius wrote:
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Because candidates are elected on popularity, not merit.

We know what popularity is. We measure it. We don't know what merit is. Your merit won't be mine. Not with evasions like the above. That was a demerit goodstyle. So you need a merit quanta to get back to zero.

You asked why if people are so wise they aren't in office. I answered you. We don't elect wise people, we elect popular people. Failure to get elected does not indicate a lack of wisdom or intelligence.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:17 pm
@engineer,
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If you want to speculate about all "parents" then I guess you can assign them any opinion you want since no one can know for sure.


I wondered what your opinion was of what the result of a vote would be of parents of 11-17 year olds being instructed in physical education by a militant outed lesbian.

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Failure to get elected does not indicate a lack of wisdom or intelligence.


Just as failure to be picked for England at cricket does not indicate a lack of ability at the game.
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 03:02 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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If you want to speculate about all "parents" then I guess you can assign them any opinion you want since no one can know for sure.


I wondered what your opinion was of what the result of a vote would be of parents of 11-17 year olds being instructed in physical education by a militant outed lesbian.


And is a militant outed lesbian any less moral than a militant (great Santini) straight man instructing 11-17 year olds in physical education...


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Failure to get elected does not indicate a lack of wisdom or intelligence.


Just as failure to be picked for England at cricket does not indicate a lack of ability at the game.

If sports players are chosen based upon popularity rather than merit then it can mean the difference between winning and losing...Popular politicians may win their elections but the people ultimately lose if popularity wins out over merit. Also... charisma is not exactly the same thing as popularity. Charisma can sometime trump merit depending on the job needed to be achieved. Merit can be useless without a bit of finesse.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 8 Sep, 2010 03:28 pm
@RexRed,
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And is a militant outed lesbian any less moral than a militant (great Santini) straight man instructing 11-17 year olds in physical education...


How do I know. That doesn't answer the question I asked.

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If sports players are chosen based upon popularity rather than merit then it can mean the difference between winning and losing...Popular politicians may win their elections but the people ultimately lose if popularity wins out over merit. Also... charisma is not exactly the same thing as popularity. Charisma can sometime trump merit depending on the job needed to be achieved. Merit can be useless without a bit of finesse.


That's just a flat out insult to the electorate which is something very common in lefties. It's unscientific as well because it is a hypothesis that can't be tested.
 

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