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California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

 
 
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 10:27 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

I was talking about "differentness." I never implied anyone is "inferior and less worthy of life."


Of course you did - you recommended that we genetically modify the human race to eradicate a certain group of people.

Cycloptichorn


You are using the English language loosely. "Eradicate" a group of people is what the Nazis did to Jews and Gypsies. "Curing" homosexuals of their prediliction for same sex partners is not eradicating anyone. It is eradicating a "prediliction." If one chooses to analogize what I say to the Spanish Inquisition - not one hair was harmed on any Jews' head. They either had to leave Spanish soil, or convert to Catholicism. So Spain eradicated the prediliction to the Jewish religion, but no Jews were eradicated as humans. Big difference.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 10:36 am
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

I was talking about "differentness." I never implied anyone is "inferior and less worthy of life."


Of course you did - you recommended that we genetically modify the human race to eradicate a certain group of people.

Cycloptichorn


You are using the English language loosely. "Eradicate" a group of people is what the Nazis did to Jews and Gypsies. "Curing" homosexuals of their prediliction for same sex partners is not eradicating anyone. It is eradicating a "prediliction." If one chooses to analogize what I say to the Spanish Inquisition - not one hair was harmed on any Jews' head. They either had to leave Spanish soil, or convert to Catholicism. So Spain eradicated the prediliction to the Jewish religion, but no Jews were eradicated as humans. Big difference.


You show your bigotry every time you claim that changing fundamental facts about people wouldn't hurt them.

Tell ya what; let's do the same with Jews, to solve their problems and the world's problems in dealing with them, which I think you can agree do exist for a variety of reasons. They can still LIVE, of course; they just won't be allowed to practice the Jewish religion any more.

Problem solved! Because nothing about their individual lives really is all that important, that it would be worth preserving, right? That is what you are claiming about gays and lesbians: that their identity, who they are, isn't even worth considering preserving, because you consider it wrong.

Cycloptichorn
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 11:01 am
Foofie,
Why would you want to "cure" anyone of who they are?
I dont know if being gay is a choice or a genetic predisposition, and to tell you the truth I really dont care.
To deny someone the right to be happy because you think they need to be "cured" is just wrong.

There is a philosophy I try to live by, and yes it is a fictional one, but it makes sense and it works.
Its called the IDIC.
That means Infinite Diversity Infinite Combinations.

Essentially it means that nothing is "abnormal", that whatever makes someone happy is ok, and its not my place to judge or condemn them.

You seem to think that being gay is abnormal.
While there are hundreds of different animal species that practice homosexuality to one degree or another, and even though it is also a life style that many humans live, you seem to think it needs to be "cured".

I would suggest that you mind your own business and let people live in whatever way makes them happy.
You seem to have an unnatural fear for some reason.
I wouls suggest you look inward and try to find out what the cause of that fear is and deal with that first.
hamburgboy
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 12:10 pm
@Foofie,
foofie :

best not to confuse santa claus with BLACK PETER ( in dutch : zwarte peter ) - who is the santa's helper - he meets out punishment to the bad boys .
better not scare all the kids by telling them that BLACK PETER is coming - there'll be a lot of crying kids .
hbg


. http://www.edupics.com/saint-nicholas-and-black-peter-t8886.jpg

perhaps zwarte peter will want to take a pill to whiten him .
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hamburgboy
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 12:17 pm
@mysteryman,
very well said , MM !
hbg
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 02:01 pm
@hamburgboy,
This subject has spilled onto the evolution threads.

Ionus wrote-


Quote:
You mean like homosexuality is normal...which by definition means heterosexuality is not normal. In two oposing views, only one can be normal.


To which I responded--

Quote:
In the one the mental images just before the big bang's vinegar stroke are variations of aspects of the characteristics of the Great Goddess. In the other I cannot imagine what they might be but if they do not concern manifestations of the Great Goddess they cannot be considered on the same basis. They are polar opposites. If one is normal the other is abnormal.

It goes without saying, given the Pavlovian science of reinforcing pleasure, that repetitions cause an increasing distance between the divergence of these mental images to such an extent that it becomes impossible for a homosexual to understand heterosexual art productions. And vice versa.

The bi-sexual, or libertine, has a choice of one or other of the mental images irrespective of the mundane circumstances.

The mental image of the Great Goddess can be split into The Terrible Goddess or the Good Nurturing Mother Goddess of Christian theology. Lady MacBeth or Cordelia. Kali or the Virgin Mary.

Hence the absence of condemnation of female homosexuality.

But, like all dynamic mental processes, it is far more complex than that.


You are all forgetting the nitty gritty of the business as if it doesn't exist. That nitty gritty is a powerful conditioning agent which can start almost whimsically and grow. Encouraging it to start in those early years is grooming. The Nature argument is unanswerable but the Nurture one isn't.
RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 02:40 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

You are all forgetting the nitty gritty of the business as if it doesn't exist. That nitty gritty is a powerful conditioning agent which can start almost whimsically and grow. Encouraging it to start in those early years is grooming. The Nature argument is unanswerable but the Nurture one isn't.


What a man can't nurture?

http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm

Men can nurture too... Ok now the nurture question is answered, NEXT...
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 03:10 pm
@RexRed,
That's not the Nature/Nurture argument Rex.
RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 03:22 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

That's not the Nature/Nurture argument Rex.


Did I miss something?

Please explain.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 03:31 pm
@RexRed,
Yes Spendius I would like to hear this one. All ears are on you.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 05:20 pm
@RexRed,
Quote:
Did I miss something?

Please explain.


It's a bit late here for that. It's the tabula rasa thingy. Or not. It has nothing to do with rooting out some statistic. Were you who you are at birth or were you worked on? Being an Elton John fan would take some explaining if it was the former.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 06:13 pm
@spendius,
Very good question Spendius. You seem to be looking for knowledge. And no I do not mean this in a hateful way, and by the way I do know that you did not insinuate it either.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 06:22 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Foofie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:

I was talking about "differentness." I never implied anyone is "inferior and less worthy of life."


Of course you did - you recommended that we genetically modify the human race to eradicate a certain group of people.

Cycloptichorn


You are using the English language loosely. "Eradicate" a group of people is what the Nazis did to Jews and Gypsies. "Curing" homosexuals of their prediliction for same sex partners is not eradicating anyone. It is eradicating a "prediliction." If one chooses to analogize what I say to the Spanish Inquisition - not one hair was harmed on any Jews' head. They either had to leave Spanish soil, or convert to Catholicism. So Spain eradicated the prediliction to the Jewish religion, but no Jews were eradicated as humans. Big difference.


You show your bigotry every time you claim that changing fundamental facts about people wouldn't hurt them.

Tell ya what; let's do the same with Jews, to solve their problems and the world's problems in dealing with them, which I think you can agree do exist for a variety of reasons. They can still LIVE, of course; they just won't be allowed to practice the Jewish religion any more.

Problem solved! Because nothing about their individual lives really is all that important, that it would be worth preserving, right? That is what you are claiming about gays and lesbians: that their identity, who they are, isn't even worth considering preserving, because you consider it wrong.

Cycloptichorn


Being a secular Jew, I could care less. You will be making many Gentile males upset, since once Jewish guys celebrate Christmas, many pretty shiksas might prefer to marry "a nice Jewish" boy than a macho Gentile guy who might have needs to always appear smarter than his wife (Jewish guys are known for appreciating intelligent women).

And, to all a good night.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 06:25 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

...I would suggest that you mind your own business and let people live in whatever way makes them happy...


I was just giving my opinion, and those who do not want to let me have my opinion, without countering it, were minding my business. My business was just my opinion, and I was not allowed to have it without an argument.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 06:28 pm
@spendius,
I like Elton John's music.
I am a straight man and I do think that I was born this way. because I never had to make a decision on this matter, did you?
Not to be hatefull but the idea of having sex with a man is a very big turn off for me.
I have had this same discussion with a gay person and he told me the same thing about having sex with the opposite sex does the same thing for him and I do believe what he told me because I know him well.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 07:14 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie, Opinions such as yours turns into legal actions that are both bigoted and unConstitutional against a group of Americans. You did know that, didn't you?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 07:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Opinions such as yours turns into legal actions that are both bigoted
really, does anyone give a **** anymore about being called a Bigot? Anyone who has not drunk the kool-aid of multiculturalism earns the title, it is pretty much a honor at this point.

Quote:
and unConstitutional
We in this country have substantial debates about what is constitutional, or should be. We are also a people who would not pass the Constitution in its current form if it were put to a vote so making the proclamation that something is unconstitutional is not as impressive as you seem to think that it is.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 07:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawk, I'll continue to use that word whether you like it or not; I've lived most of my childhood with discrimination and bigots, and I still observe bigotry against other minority groups. As long as I observe bigotry, I'm going to challenge people on it. You know where you can take that word with you...
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 08:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Foofie, Opinions such as yours turns into legal actions that are both bigoted and unConstitutional against a group of Americans. You did know that, didn't you?


Your point is a non-sequitor to my right to have an opinion. Just accept my right to have an opinion. If someone else subscribes to a similar opinion, it is their opinion. Stop commenting on my constitutional right to have my opinion, as persuing happiness by having a opinion.

Do not forget, this country was founded by those that may have had bigotry against Native Americans, Catholics, Jews, Asians, etc. I can never learn to appreciate your finer qualities, since I am bigoted against Americans of non-European descent. I can never learn to appreciate the finer qualities of Catholicism, since Catholicism has such a long history of anti-Semitism. I cannot even learn to appreciate the finer qualities of Orthodox Jews, since I consider Judaism a religion steeped in ridiculous ritual. I can only appreciate the finer qualities of tall, chiseled-featured WASP's.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 09:07 pm
@Foofie,
Your opinion happens to be bigoted and contrary to the US Constitution; nobody here is trying to stop you from your postings here. We understand the Constitution; and about the freedom of speech.
 

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