California Voters Approve Gay-Marriage Ban

Wow! It makes me so glad that the church does not have so much say in the political arena in England. I'm not against religions but to ban gay marriage because they are homophobic is spreading hate which is not only dangerous and completely ignorant, it's also downright irresponsible. Teaching children to hate is born out of fear, they fear change, anybody that'sdifferent anything that doesn't fit into their little box. They are teaching closed mindedness and is that the type of society you want to live in? One that hides away from the truth behind a cowardly blanket of ignorance and fear, who wants to live in a society that lives in fear and ignorance? Stupid! Stupid these people are, why do the masses listen to them Rex?


Whilst a small proportion of them are buggering the choir boy whilst hiding behind fear and cowardice. Thanks for your post Rex it was spot on, the church has always bred ignorance and hate and I see they are still doing that in sunny California. Honestly their views are so archaic and not of our time someone wants to tell them to see an optician and get their eyes tested but they wont because they only serve themselves, they are not open to anything but their own views, they are not open minded.

Come and get hitched in the UK Rex, we are more with the times you know what I mean. Good grief, banning gay marriage, I've never heard of anything so archaic and down right prejudiced and they claim to speak the words of God and the lord? I think not, Jesus said love thy neighbour and do unto him you would have done to you. Where's the respect? Respect of human rights. What you cant get married because you're gay, why the hell not you bigot?

I agree with you but I think that education is better understud without emotions involved. Do not get me wrong as you are humane and have a reason to be emotional. I just think that you are talking to a brick wall. If gay people can not be changed how can we change others that do not have the capacity to understand equality? I do not have the answers I can only guess that kindnes, education and time will be the only thing that brings a change.

Not much. It says that there's an easy, trouble free alternative to them and encourages impressionable young people in their most vulnerable spot to think that is the case.

Love and hugs Caroline! Why do the masses listen? We have been raised on fear, advertisement is so fear based. If you don't brush with this type of toothpaste you will get 50% more cavities! So people rush out to the corner drugstore for that brand of toothpaste... They gob the tooth paste on their tooth brush and brush till the enamel wears off their teeth...

We have a society that was weened on fear, so fear is the only thing they know how to respond to... It is a form of abuse and when love comes in they don't know how to react because hate is all they can understand...

the solution could also be by eliminating heterosexuals through, perhaps, finding the genetic cause and how to silence it genetically.



Considering the whole natural world would heave a collective sigh of relief if heterosexuals were silenced genetically it would make sense to do so to those who seek to save the old globe from humans.

Like Spendius who simply regurgitates and barfs out this fear on a daily basis like a copy machine... Perhaps never realizing that love is much more powerful in the positive than fear can ever be in the negative...

best idea i've seen in this thread

So homosexuals have an effect on you, such that you consider being with a man? Interesting. Why don't they have this effect on everyone?

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I'll let you argue with Foofie. I don't care for either concept. It's a false dilemma that if we don't "silence" the homosexuals, that we must "silence" the heterosexuals.

That was a rather lazy...

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Hitched yes Rex. Not "married". There are some very nice hotels in England which specialise in civil union ceremonies at prices related to what the traffic will bear. Whether the certificates will be legal tender in the USA is another matter.

Does an American marrying a person of the opposite sex from another country confer citizenship on them?

No, an American getting hitched in England will not stop the churches and states in America from exploiting the children of gays and lesbians. It will not stop schools educating the children of gays and lesbians from discriminating against the spouses of gay and lesbian Americans... The courts need to recognize gays as married and having the same exact rights under the law as a male and female marriage... many of the children in male and female marriages are from previous marriages also yet the spouses who aren't actually their parents are recognized as parents by the schools... But not when it comes to gays, THIS has got to change...

Marriage doesn't have to be a government privilege. Just like health care or unemployment insurance, marriage could be free market.
Government could simply get out of marriage. Marriage would be a private matter between you, your spouse and your church. Everybody could marry whoever they want. (If we abolish income taxes then it doesn't matter who files jointly.)
But as long as marriage is a government privilege, it is perfectly fine to restrict it to one man and one women.

ThanksThis is something I've often pondered, we can all think for ourselves without being led up a path that is not right. I still can't believe gays have no right to marriage based on what the public wants. God blimey I just can't get over it! There is no reasoning behind it nor logic. It's hard and confusing times when you realise you're gay but to be castrated for it by the public, well i can't imagine how that feels I can only offer sympathy and understandingSheep! Like sheep we love to follow without thinking for ourselves. Well I say screw 'em, I've never been a sheep. What a sorry state California is in and especially if you're gay. The Mormons are being dangerous breeding hate to gays, that can incur violence and hate to an innocent person just because of their sexuality. Everyone should speak out against them as it could be your son or your niece that is gay and gets attacked by a homophobic.

We live in a free society where everyone is free, gay people are not free and have less rights, what kind of message are you teaching your children, you're an irresponsible, ignorant and cowardly teaching hate against gay people. They are not harming you so why are you hating them, because you're not open minded and accepting like the majority of us. Well i've got news for these people who chose to live in the dark, you better get with the times before the hate turns on you the hater, karma has a habit of biting you on the bum

So Rex am I right in thinking that the sheep in California are either mormans or support their views on no marriage rights for gay? I just cannot believe the whole population are so ignorant and behind the times.

Ignorant people, times change accept it if you don't like it and they are doing you no harm then shut up because you are wrong. You are wrong to take away someones right when all they want is to live in peace. Take your bigotry and grow a brain that's more accepting to diversity hell you may learn like the rest of us to appreciate it and enjoy it.
Because people are like sheep, they follow, they need to change what they follow and it takes people like you to stand up for what's right and make them listen. Anti-gay, I ask you how freakin absurd, I'm glad I don't live in the dark ages coz it's real nice where I am, reality that is. Wake up people and think, it's not logical to hate someone who has done you no harm, it's you who has the problem and down to you to sort it out so think and maybe you can join the rest of us who don't judge a man by what he is but by what he does. I'd hate to be gay in this climate, funnily ennough people dont get to choose their sexuality, it could've been you. Love your brother and your life will be more forfilled then you might learn not to hate through fear and ignorance. Lets face it no one likes a bigot, a homophobic these day, it's destructive and lacks intelligence, so if you like it down there in the gloom and doom so be it coward but don't spread your poison through the media because you are responsible for possible violence against a gay person by spreading fear and ignorance, that is inhumane, you have no idea your are so far from logic, sense and humanity. You could be responsible for blood being spilled. Is that how you're going to meet your maker, with blood on your hands? I no for sure I aint, sad about you though but I care more for the people you spout hate against them then you, to me you don't know what it means to be human, you will always be filled with hate and that is not the way life goes you stupid men. You lead sad and empty lives and you still do not realise whilst you sulk amongst the dust. You truly dont get it, don't understand, your mind will never be open nor enlightened, you will never enjoy the gifts life gives you because you're too busy preaching hate.

I'm so glad I'm not like you for many worthwhile reasons. Man is ignorant but slowly catching up, bigots will be left behind. To live in a truly hate free, non-homophobic world is a pipe dream, ignorance and hate breed ignorance and hate and gay people will always live in a world where he/she can be attacked for their sexuality something they have no control over, shame on you, you bastard, you attack and say they have less rights. Take a look at the fear in yourself, face it you coward be brave for once, dont you know it's wrong to hurt someone if they've done you no wrong, where are your morals? You are blind and I can see, who lives in a better world? Then why don't you do something, I tell you why because you're scared and need to grow a set. Sorry you, you are pityful. I play in the sun you grasp in the dark so be it but don't spread your hate, people are sheep and spreading hate is abusing your power, you have no right to take away gay's right to marry.

You only reveal who you are and that is weak, if you are weak then you are easy to knock down and you do all of this whilst tucking under the carpet numerous cases of your priests raping our children, you are hypocrites too. You do not speak the word of good you are bad and always will be.

People have to fight for their rights and don't give up. Society can and has changed but it takes time, a long time but I for one firmly believe that we should be living in a world that being gay shouldn't even be an issue let alone gay bashing and massive religious sects spreading hate towards, them jeez get with it.

As you can see Rex it gets my goat, so sorry for the rant folks, boy I'd like to get in the ring with homophobic religions, irresponsible bigots.

Actually, as long as it's a government institution, it isn't fine. This is why you've seen Supreme Courts across the country reach the same conclusion over and over: that it is in fact illegal for the government to discriminate based on sexual orientation.

Just turn everything into Civil unions, from a government point of view, and leave marriage to the churches.

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thats been my thought all along

I find this to be extremely wise.

It's perfectly fine. Who gets to vote and drive is based on age discrimination. I don't see the courts striking that down. If the state is in the business of marrying people, that's a government privilege, not a right.



You're appealing to expert opinion. The courts are wrong.



That would simply be renaming the privilege. If government gets out of marriage, everyone could marry according to their interpretation of marriage. But if we just rename the government privilege the statists still force society to accept their interpretation of marriage (either side), just under a different name.

You not only accused me of saying homosexuality is dangerous when I hadn't but you built a whole post on the lie.

Your fatuous blustering doesn't alter that and if you can't bring yourself to apologise to me, who you don't mislead, and to others who you might have misled. So much for your love and even-handedness and consideration for the rights of others.



How can I answer a question about why I think homosexuality is dangerous when I hadn't said it was? I took you to task for spouting bare-assed lies about me and I was entitled to do so. I don't need to deny that I said homosexuality was dangerous because the thread is there for all to see.

You're floundering fa. Goodstyle. As you always will be if you respond to posts you haven't read properly and just assume the worst as if you are a victim.

That's what gets me, people don't realise this, oh well there loss, ha ha.

Then why did you give airtime to the concept when you presented it to suggest your side is the victim of a final solution? I only reversed the situation to demonstrate the stupidity of the concept you were employing.