What conservatives should know about Americans.

1) Americans are not stupid or mindless. Most of us support Obama because we have looked at the candidates and the issues and have decided that Obama is better on both counts. WRONG! Most independents who will swing to Obama are pissed off at Bush for screwing things up. They will vote AGAINST the Republicans...NOT for Obama[quote]

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1) Americans are not stupid or mindless. Most of us support Obama because we have looked at the candidates and the issues and have decided that Obama is better on both counts. WRONG! Most independents who will swing to Obama are pissed off at Bush for screwing things up. They will vote AGAINST the Republicans...NOT for Obama[quote]

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2) Most Americans don't care about Ayers, Wright, or Khalidi. We think that the assertion that Obama is somehow subversive, or socialist are ridiculous and mean. WRONG. The media is suppressing the argument. See the LA Times

This whole line of argument is irrelevant (and annoying). We think that only idiots or partisans would make an issue of this.

3) Most Americans want moderate reasonable solutions to problems. Furthermore we believe that the Democrats are providing them (which is why most of us will vote for Democrats).The democrats who have had control of Congress have a lower approval rating than Bush. Should Obama win, Pelosi and Reid will have a open credit card to spend and increase taxes. I predict a turnover in 2 years

Most of us want a reasonable tax policy that raises taxes for the wealthy and provides cuts for the middle class. The Democrats are offering us this.Raising taxes on 1 class and lowering taxes on the bottom end while increasing spending is an offer of doom

Most of us want a reasonable immigration policy that provides border security with a path to citizenship for people already here.Agree and NEITHER Candidate nor party is oferring up a good plan

4) Most of us feel the Republicans are launching nastier attacks. Most of us say we don't like this, and increasingly conservatives attacks are losing elections.Democrats never want to discuss their record. When one tries to debate their record, you call it negative.

5) Conservatives are going to have to face the fact that they are losing elections. This is because they are increasingly out of touch with what we, the American people, want.Wrong again. Republicans may lose this time because of one reason. BUSH!!!

Calling American people stupid, attacking us as socialists, whining about the press-- these are not a way to get the political power you crave (and apparently think you deserve).I call your ideas stupid, you ARE a socialist and the press is bias to your agenda. I agree each party wants the power to control the people and neither party deserves my support. Yet, partisans like you refuse to be objective and that is what I resent.

Conservatives seem to be clueless about how real Americans think-- take, for example, there inability to understand why most of us support the Democrats and Obama.

Maybe we could explain it to them...

1) Americans are not stupid or mindless. Most of us support Obama because we have looked at the candidates and the issues and have decided that Obama is better on both counts.

2) Most Americans don't care about Ayers, Wright, or Khalidi. We think that the assertion that Obama is somehow subversive, or socialist are ridiculous and mean.

This whole line of argument is irrelevant (and annoying). We think that only idiots or partisans would make an issue of this.

3) Most Americans want moderate reasonable solutions to problems. Furthermore we believe that the Democrats are providing them (which is why most of us will vote for Democrats).

Most of us want a reasonable tax policy that raises taxes for the wealthy and provides cuts for the middle class. The Democrats are offering us this.

Most of us want a reasonable immigration policy that provides border security with a path to citizenship for people already here.

4) Most of us feel the Republicans are launching nastier attacks. Most of us say we don't like this, and increasingly conservatives attacks are losing elections.

5) Conservatives are going to have to face the fact that they are losing elections. This is because they are increasingly out of touch with what we, the American people, want.

Calling American people stupid, attacking us as socialists, whining about the press-- these are not a way to get the political power you crave (and apparently think you deserve).

You see, Americans are going to vote for the people, and the party, that represents our issues, our positions and our hopes.

That's what this election is about.

I guess when you provide some evidence that Democrats at the time couldn't understand why Americans were supporting Nixon you might be able to make that statement.

Your argument is a strawman Brandon since ebrown never said what you are arguing.

1. Conservatives do not make up all Republicans so comparing only to Democrats is not accurate. Not all Democrats in 1968 or 1972 were liberals.
2. Conservatives on this board have repeatedly argued that people supporting Obama are not capable of any intelligent reasons for that support which is what ebrown is talking about. There is no evidence of that being an argument from Democrats in '68 or '72.

Brandon, obviously logic is not your strong suit, so let me try to simplify. Just because firetrucks that are red lose elections doesn't mean that trucks that lose elections are red firetrucks.

But that isn't the point.

Conservatives are lashing out at views that are held by a great number of middling Americans. They are trying to pin labels such as "socialism" or "treason" on views that most Americans find reasonable.

In doing so, Conservatives are alienating and insulting the American voters that they need if they want to have any political power, or even a voice in the mainstream debate.

ebrown p wrote:

Brandon, obviously logic is not your strong suit, so let me try to simplify. Just because firetrucks that are red lose elections doesn't mean that trucks that lose elections are red firetrucks.

But that isn't the point.

Conservatives are lashing out at views that are held by a great number of middling Americans. They are trying to pin labels such as "socialism" or "treason" on views that most Americans find reasonable.

In doing so, Conservatives are alienating and insulting the American voters that they need if they want to have any political power, or even a voice in the mainstream debate.

The problem is that you seem to be saying, that because Obama is ahead in the polls, it must mean that conservatives are clueless and out of touch, when, in fact, there could be any number of other explanations. If you can demonstrate that being clueless and out of touch is the cause of the polling results, not merely that that is a possible explanation, but that it is the actual explanation, I am all ears. Proceed.

Brandon9000 wrote:

ebrown p wrote:

Brandon, obviously logic is not your strong suit, so let me try to simplify. Just because firetrucks that are red lose elections doesn't mean that trucks that lose elections are red firetrucks.

But that isn't the point.

Conservatives are lashing out at views that are held by a great number of middling Americans. They are trying to pin labels such as "socialism" or "treason" on views that most Americans find reasonable.

In doing so, Conservatives are alienating and insulting the American voters that they need if they want to have any political power, or even a voice in the mainstream debate.

The problem is that you seem to be saying, that because Obama is ahead in the polls, it must mean that conservatives are clueless and out of touch, when, in fact, there could be any number of other explanations. If you can demonstrate that being clueless and out of touch is the cause of the polling results, not merely that that is a possible explanation, but that it is the actual explanation, I am all ears. Proceed.

But Brandon, it's not just Obama. It's our Congressional Dems as well, kicking your guys' asses across the board. The number of possible explanations starts to dwindle quickly when you look at the polling in all races up for grabs this cycle.

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The problem is that you seem to be saying, that because Obama is ahead in the polls, it must mean that conservatives are clueless and out of touch, when, in fact, there could be any number of other explanations. If you can demonstrate that being clueless and out of touch is the cause of the polling results, not merely that that is a possible explanation, but that it is the actual explanation, I am all ears. Proceed.

If true, it doesn't inherently indicate one possible explanation. I take exception to ebrown's conclusion.

Conservatives seem to be clueless about how real Americans think

Brandon9000 wrote:

If true, it doesn't inherently indicate one possible explanation. I take exception to ebrown's conclusion.

Opinion, actually.

ebrown p wrote:

Conservatives seem to be clueless about how real Americans think

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Can you give us counter examples where conservatives really have a finger on the pulse of the nation?

I'm not claiming that they do, only that I agree with most of the conservative positions.

Brandon9000 wrote:

I'm not claiming that they do, only that I agree with most of the conservative positions.

there is a such a lovely range of conservative groups out there. which group's positions do you agree with?