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How Do We Explain An Obama Loss?

 
 
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 06:26 am
@H2O MAN,
I think that there are issues that are emerging..............Obama's relationship with Ayers, Wright and Khalidi, and his apparent socialism, that are making people look again at Obama in a somewhat different light.

Obama was in a great position. Most Americans cannot wait to get rid of Bush, and some paint McCain with the same brush as W, which, although unfair, is an obvious disadvantage.

Obama came along, bright eyed and bushy tailed, a breath of fresh air, with a persona like a rock star. His is brilliant, and has a glib tongue, to boot. People were mesmerized. I have looked at some of his rallies, and and a couple of times I expected people to fall to the floor in a faint, like some evangelical in a wild orgy of ecstasy.

I think that some of the gloss has worn off, and reality is setting in. People are really beginning to wonder if Obama has what it takes to keep America secure. There are questions about his past associations, and the implications of those associations. There are people who are concerned that his economic philosophy, so concerned about "equality", will help to destroy the system of which this great country was founded upon.

What about the alternative? McCain, IMO, is well past his prime. He would have been fine......................ten years ago. Sarah Palin? If I didn't know that she was serious with some of her cockeyed social views, I would think that she was putting us all on.

The thing is, we are living in a very dangerous world. We need a president who will keep us safe, and get the economy moving. I don't think that Obama is that person, and I think that others, wiping the stars out of their eyes, are coming to the same conclusion.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 06:28 am
@Phoenix32890,

Well said!
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engineer
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 06:42 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Who might these racists be?

Democrats or Republicans?

They could be either, but given the registration advantage, the only way we're going to get a significant shift is if they are Dems.
revel
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 06:56 am
@Phoenix32890,
So you are telling me that once again Americans are going to fall for swift boat politics and elect incompetent leaders and then complain about it afterwards. Every single issue you brought up is simply bogus and has been debunked in these threads so I am not going to go through it all again. I'll debunk the latest.

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The latest guilt-by-association target that the McCain campaign is using to hit Barack Obama could carry some collateral damage for its own candidate.

As Politico's Ben Smith reported on Tuesday, the McCain campaign is demanding that the Los Angeles Times release video in its possession of a party attended by Barack Obama and Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi.

"A major news organization is intentionally suppressing information that could provide a clearer link between Barack Obama and Rashid Khalidi," said McCain spokesman Michael Goldfarb, citing Obama's friendship with Khalidi, who is now a professor at Columbia University.
The McCain camp gambit comes after conservative writers have repeatedly pressed for media outlets to write about the rather tenuous connections between Obama and Khalidi, an outspoken advocate for Palestinian rights.

Specifically, National Review writers want much more attention paid to the association, given that the LA Times has reported that Khalidi lavished praise on Obama at a farewell party in Chicago at which Bill Ayers was also present. (Other writers have accused Khalidi of being an aide to Yasser Arafat, a claim which Marc Ambinder and Ari Berman have suggested is not credible.)

In regards to Khalidi, however, the guilt-by-association game burns John McCain as well.

During the 1990s, while he served as chairman of the International Republican Institute (IRI), McCain distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, including one worth half a million dollars.

A 1998 tax filing for the McCain-led group shows a $448,873 grant to Khalidi's Center for Palestine Research and Studies for work in the West Bank. (See grant number 5180, "West Bank: CPRS" on page 14 of this PDF.)

The relationship extends back as far as 1993, when John McCain joined IRI as chairman in January. Foreign Affairs noted in September of that year that IRI had helped fund several extensive studies in Palestine run by Khalidi's group, including over 30 public opinion polls and a study of "sociopolitical attitudes."

Of course, there's seemingly nothing objectionable with McCain's organization helping a Palestinian group conduct research in the West Bank or Gaza. But it does suggest that McCain could have some of his own explaining to do as he tries to make hay out of Khalidi's ties to Obama.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/mccain-funded-work-of-pal_n_138606.html
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 08:18 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
Who might these racists be?
Democrats or Republicans?

I don't know. I've met racists on both sides of the fence.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 08:20 am
@Thomas,
Actually, they are fairly easy to identify, thomas. Traditionally, they have a letter "R" scratched backwards on one cheek.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 08:24 am
@blatham,


I thought that was your birthmark.
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javeediqb
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 08:40 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
OBAMA WILL LOOSE ....BECAUSE MOST AMERICANS ARE STILL HATING THE BLACK IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY WILL USE ONE OR THE OTHER EXCUSE TO GIVE THE VOTE TO other OBAMA...hope i am wrong ....
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 08:42 am
@blatham,
The ones with the letter "R" aren't the closet racists I was talking about (emphasis on "closet").
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 08:52 am
How Do We Explain An Obama Loss?

No explanation could justify such an unforeseen tragedy. I for one would
be at a loss for words at the utter ignorance of the American people.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 08:58 am
@Thomas,
OK thomas. I'll agree to that stipulation of terms unless, of course, the letter is scratched into the cheek with a clotheshanger...a complexity that only someone like Finn would be able to tease apart in another thread which has a poignant question for it's subject.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 02:39 pm
I'm not sure how to explain a possible by Obama. I do know that Air America will have plenty of ideas and all of them will include cheating by the Republicans or voter supression. It will have nothing to do with the fact that Obama didn't win because not enough people marked his name on their ballots. I can't wait to see what they pull out of the air.
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 02:44 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
I can't wait to see what they pull out of the air.


I can't wait to see whether the astronauts eat the cheese the moon is made of if they hadn't been there and if it was.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 02:47 pm
@Phoenix32890,
These silly posts are going to be very interesting to read in 6 days.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 03:18 pm
@CalamityJane,
Quote:
No explanation could justify such an unforeseen tragedy. I for one would
be at a loss for words at the utter ignorance of the American people.


That's more like it.

The utter ignorance of the American people.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 03:20 pm
Finn finally gets what he's been fishing for.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 03:21 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
They could be either, but given the registration advantage, the only way we're going to get a significant shift is if they are Dems.


While there certainly are Republican racists, the likelihood of them voting for Obama if he were white is pretty slim. So if racism does Obama in, it pretty much has to be the racism of people who would otherwise be likely to have voten for him.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 03:22 pm
@Thomas,
Indeed, but which ones can turn the tide against Obama?
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 03:41 pm
Once again for the record before anybody knows how this is going to turn out...

Win, lose, or draw, I have come to the basic conclusion that the United States is no longer a viable country and needs to be split up. I don't like the idea of EITHER half of the country walking around feeling they've just been totally subjugated for the next four years; that's no way to run a country.

No marriage this bad would last fifteen seconds.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 30 Oct, 2008 04:07 pm
America--love it or leave it, gunga.
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