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8 year old accidently shoots himself with an Uzi

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 04:43 pm
@Intrepid,
Intepid I read all the times of sad cases where a young child in kill by being back over by a car and in most cases it was a adult member to his own family who did the backing.

This is however, the first case I can remember of a child being killed at a gun range.

Swimming pools are also a great killing machine for young children and I even remember reading of children being killed by lawn mowers throwing up rocks or other objects.

I do not see how gun ranges had been proven to be a great threat to the health and welfare of children unlike back yard swimming pools or his or her parent driveway or any number of other dangers we all live with.

It the every day objects that end up being our undoing.

In my younger days I was sky diving almost every weekend and one Monday I arrived at work with a bad limp that all my co-workers assumed was cause by sky diving.

But instead I was hurt due to a table I was leaning on at a Laundromat giving way!

The only time I was hurt sky diving itself was when the pick up van begin to move when I was only half way in.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 07:24 pm
@Merry Andrew,
"Merry Andrew" wrote:
You really think ceejay's I.Q goes as high as double digits? Remember, guys, don't engage in a battle of wits with this person. You' ll be fighting an unarmed man.


I'm just on the first page here so far, but I am noticing a lot of childish insults directed at cjhsa, and not a lot of substance from most of those posters.....

I suggest that more reasoned arguments and fewer childish insults might be in order.

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(I am not singling your post out for any particular reason other than I picked one to reply to. It does qualify as one of the ones that insulted and lacked substance, but there are a good number of others here that are just as bad.)
Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 07:28 pm
@oralloy,
You seem to be blinded to cjhsa's childish and boorish behaviour.

Other than this post, what have you contributed to this thread? You have not even addressed the topic.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 07:33 pm
@Intrepid,
"Intrepid" wrote:
Those things are not meant to kill...idiot. Guns, machineguns et all ARE meant to kill.


And how is that significant?

Are people "more dead" if they are killed by "a thing that is meant to kill"?



"Intrepid" wrote:
You, in your crazed need for weapons, cannot comprehend what others perceive as a needless loss of life.


Actually, cjhsa has indicated a better comprehension of this being a needless loss of life than you have.



"Intrepid" wrote:
This should be considered murder...not an accident.


Oh? Where is the malicious intent?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 07:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
"OmSigDAVID" wrote:
Contrary to the thrust of this article, 9mm Uzis really do not have much recoil.


The Mini Uzi and Micro Uzi have a much higher rate of fire than the full-sized Uzis -- similar to the rate of fire of the Mac-10.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 07:44 pm
@Green Witch,
"Green Witch" wrote:
An uzi seems to be a very powerful weapon that was designed to be an efficient killing machine.


Maybe. It depends on what you mean by power I guess.



"Green Witch" wrote:
Is there any other purpose to this weapon other than killing humans.


Target shooting. Self-defense.



"Green Witch" wrote:
You can target practice with a less war like gun.


I for one will target practice with whatever gun I feel like.



"Green Witch" wrote:
Why does an eight year old have to handle an uzi?


"Have"?

I'm not aware of anyone who said he "had" to do it.

He was doing it because he "wanted" to do it.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 07:49 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
"OmSigDAVID" wrote:
( I believe that by custom and usage, at this point I am supposed to call u an "idiot" )


Mr. Green

I see I wasn't the only one to notice it.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 07:51 pm
@Intrepid,
"Intrepid" wrote:
Hmm, fishing poles are meant to kill? I am sure that fishermen everywhere will be shocked at this revelation.


I suspect they already know.

Unless they eat living fish.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 08:23 pm
@gungasnake,
"gungasnake" wrote:
"OmSigDAVID" wrote:
WoW! That thing [the 454] is a cannon...


I view it as a stupid cartridge and a stupid idea. Power wise it's like a 45/70 which is a stupid idea for a pistol altogether and it's a much shorter cartridge meaning more pressure than a 45/70, harder on barrels and components, more recoil, just generally stupid. There is nothing in North America which a single shot with heavy 44mag ammo won't kill and nothing in Africa which could get to you quickly enough that you'd have to kill it with a pistol which the 44 wouldn't kill. Near as I can tell it's a pure macho thing with no real use or utility.


It has some use in convincing a bear that he should immediately stop trying to kill you.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 08:41 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Quote:
"A Micro Uzi is made by and for the Israeli Armed Forces and is intended to meet the operational needs of Israeli Special Forces," Bennett said, noting the weapon has a rate of fire of 1,700 rounds per minute. "It is not a hunting weapon."


I'm not sure whether or not Massachusetts law prohibits letting a kid have a machine gun, but this statement from the prosecutor is disturbing.

Whether or not the gun is "a hunting weapon" has nothing to do with the issue of whether or not it was legal to let the kid fire the gun.

Freedom haters often make oddball comments like "that isn't a hunting weapon" from out of the blue, apparently in the belief that they are making some profound point.

Is this a case of a prosecutor upholding the law, or is it a case of an out-of-control prosecutor with an anti-freedom agenda?



(Note: If the law really was violated, I do not oppose the prosecution.)
cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 08:44 pm
I still feel bad for the kid and the family. This certainly wasn't intentional, despite the protests from the antis.

You could take your kid out sledding and they might run into a tree. You really didn't intend for them to run into that tree, but they did. People get killed every day due to bad decisions made by others or even themselves - women talking on cell phones while driving like dumbshits come to mind.

In the wind, kid.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 08:46 pm
@msolga,
"msolga" wrote:
"OmSigDAVID" wrote:
People woud not be so eager to denounce,
vilify n condemn if a gun had not been involved.


Well of course not!

Guns are weapons for the purpose of killing & activities like horse riding, swimming in rivers or the sea & playing baseball are not!


Why would that matter (even if it were true)? Are people "more dead" if they die from "something that is made to kill"?


And target shooting guns are not made to kill. They are made to perforate pieces of paper.

The goal of self-defense guns is to incapacitate an attacker.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 08:52 pm
littlek, you started this - do you talk on your cell while driving? Do ya?

Most dangerous thing I've ever seen.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 08:52 pm
@Setanta,
"Setanta" wrote:
"BillRM" wrote:
Having firearms within reach of adults at home is the same as having a few fire extinguishers within reach and for the same reason.


It's pathetic to see you attempt to offer this as "logic." The intent of fire extinguishers is not to maim or kill.


The intent of fire extinguishers is to protect against fires.

The intent of having a self-defense weapon on hand is to protect against attackers.

The logic looks fine to me.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 08:54 pm
Set and Terd could also bend over and we can test how lethal those fire extiguishers really are. Poofters.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 08:58 pm
@Intrepid,
"Intrepid" wrote:
Second, it doesn't really matter if your wife shoots you or runs you down with the car....you are still dead. However, the gun was meant for killing. The car was not. At least that was not the purpose for which it was intended when it was created.


So?

Even supposing we are talking of a gun that is really meant for killing (say a hunting rifle instead of a target shooting gun), what does it matter that its primary purpose is to kill?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 09:04 pm
@Setanta,
"Setanta" wrote:
You simply have no logical basis for a comparison of a firearm, the intent of which is to cause gross bodily harm and possibly even death, and a fire extinguisher, the intent of which is to prevent gross bodily harm and death.


The intent of a gun that is kept for self-defense purposes is to prevent gross bodily harm and death.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 09:15 pm
@parados,
"parados" wrote:
Total killed by motor vehicle accidents - 45,343
Total killed by guns, (murder, suicide, accidental, undetermined) - 33,946

It looks like cars are a hell of a lot safer than guns.


Not really. Murders and suicides would happen even without guns.

The only deaths that could be said to be caused by the presence of the gun are the accidental deaths.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 09:20 pm
@Setanta,
"Setanta" wrote:
With automobiles, the mere possession of an automobile is not a basis upon which to assume that the person possessing that automobile will know how safely and effectively to operate the automobile. But with automobiles, you are required to demonstrate a minimum competence in order to obtain a license to operate the automobile, and that requirement is ubiquitous. There is no ubiquitous requirement that the owner of a firearm demonstrate the ability to safely and effectively operate the firearm.


You only have to have a license if you want to operate the vehicle on public roads. If you operate your vehicle on private property there is no need for any license.

Likewise, if you want a license to carry a concealed weapon in public, you usually also have to meet proficiency standards.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 5 Dec, 2008 09:26 pm
@cjhsa,
cjhsa wrote:

Set and Terd could also bend over and we can test how lethal those fire extiguishers really are. Poofters.


I guess you will not be called childish or a bully by your boy Orally for making stupid remarks against people. You really are a piece of crap that hides behind your guns and the anonymity of cyber world.

Neither one of you has a cohesive thought between you let alone logic.
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