8 year old accidently shoots himself with an Uzi

@cjhsa,

cjhsa wrote:

Golf clubs aren't designed to kill people either.

That said, I can take the nose off your face with a wedge faster than you can blink.

Empty threats from the gun nut

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@Intrepid,

Intrepid wrote:

cjhsa wrote:

Golf clubs aren't designed to kill people either.

That said, I can take the nose off your face with a wedge faster than you can blink.

Empty threats from the gun nut

Empty thoughts from a turd.

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@Setanta,

Yeah, I meant to say that I'm NOT suggesting you made that point. Typo. Sorry.

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@cjhsa,

cjhsa wrote:

Intrepid wrote:

cjhsa wrote:

Golf clubs aren't designed to kill people either.

That said, I can take the nose off your face with a wedge faster than you can blink.

Empty threats from the gun nut

Empty thoughts from a turd.

Don't be so hard on yourself. Your thoughts are not empty. They are just not well thought out and executed with finesse.

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@parados,

I thought we were examining the impact of accidental gun deaths as demonstrated by the accidental gun death of the 8 year old boy of the original post.

And I'd argue that you should exclude intentional deaths by firearm, because if the death is intentional it is as likely to occur in the presense of firearms or not. A reduction in firearms does not equal a reduction in intentional deaths, so including them would not support your argument.

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@Intrepid,

It doesn't matter Intrepid.

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@Merry Andrew,

The federal law only states you can't own a fully automatic weapon without a federal license.

I worked with a guy that had a video of him shooting holes in his old car with a 50 cal. machine gun at a range. "You bring it, we let you shoot it."

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@parados,

Yeah, I've fired fully automatic weapons on some ranges, but they were always ranges managed by some branch of the federal government. Not necessarily only the military, but FBI, State Dept., etc. etc. You borrow the piece and wait for the range officer to tell you when it's ok to blast away. But those news stories make it sound like this was a private enterprise operation.

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@Merry Andrew,

Private citizens can be licensed to own fully automatic weapons. I'm not sure how stringent the requirements are.

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@parados,

I wonder how many private citizens would allow an 8 year old to fire it?

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@Merry Andrew,

MA, i said such a requirement is not ubiquitous--it is not found everywhere. Being licensed to drive, and passing an examination for that license, is ubiquitous.

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@Intrepid,

Once more so what if a gun is a weapon for killing that have no connection with the danger factor of a gun range or the hobby of target shooting for that matter. Or how likely it is that a young boy would be harm at a gun range.

My guns had have ten of thousands of rounds down their barrels and not one death or any harm done to any human other then a minor burn perhaps from a hot shell casing or two.

Once more so what if a gun is a weapon in regard to target shooting at a gun range?

What are you driving at that a gun is inherently more dangerous then other objects that can cause death?

With intend to do harm yes a gun is a fair killing instrument however without such intend it is just a tool to make holes in paper on a range and as all things go not as dangerous as many other objects that we all deal with in every day life.

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@Intrepid,

That right Intrepid we are talking about an accidental death at a gun range and I still can not see how that death woudl be any difference then if the boy had been kill by a car in the range parking lot.

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@Intrepid,

I think the chance of being attack by a bear is very very small but then the weight of a 45 is not that great either and it cost nothing as I already own it.

If you fly an ultra light aircraft within it design limits the chance of a wing breaking off is also small however having a parachute system just seem wise to me also.

The chance of having a house fire is fairly small but having a fire extinguisher around could prove useful and why not have them they are cheap enough.

All the years I had fire extinguishers around the only time I got to use one were to put out a car fire for someone else and he never even offer to pay for having it recharge.

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@BillRM,

The only way they would be similar is if the boy was operating a 500hp car while under the "supervision" of a 15 year old.

Giving an 8 year old control of a device that is deadly if used incorrectly is not the same as someone else hitting the kid.

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@parados,

Quote:

Giving an 8 year old control of a device that is deadly if used incorrectly is not the same as someone else hitting the kid.

I agree w/ you here.

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@Intrepid,

You know Intrepid we all weight risk/benefit in taking precautions in life.

My computer have the level of security on it that most government computers do not have and yet my threat level is very very low and there is no real need to have anywhere near that level of security install.

On the other hand the cost of installing this level of security is also very very low, so why not do so?

The risk of a bear attack or that someone is going to mount an attack on my computer that would call for the level of security that would slow down or even stop the NSA is small so what?

Having real strong security cost me no more then having the level of security call for in my case and having a 45 along in bear country cost me nothing but carrying a little more weight on me.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

I think the chance of being attack by a bear is very very small but then the weight of a 45 is not that great either and it cost nothing as I already own it.

If you fly an ultra light aircraft within it design limits the chance of a wing breaking off is also small however having a parachute system just seem wise to me also.

The chance of having a house fire is fairly small but having a fire extinguisher around could prove useful and why not have them they are cheap enough.

All the years I had fire extinguishers around the only time I got to use one were to put out a car fire for someone else and he never even offer to pay for having it recharge.

I agree with you on all of these points.

However, by the same logic that you use here (yes, I do see a glimmer of logic in some of your posts) every precaution should have been used for the 8 year old firing the uzi. Proper precautions, apparently, were not taken and this is the discussion on the thread.

Again, the senarios that you present here are with items that, yes, one could be harmed or even experience death. The uzi, however, was not made for puttin holes into paper. It was meant as an efficient killing tool.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

That right Intrepid we are talking about an accidental death at a gun range and I still can not see how that death woudl be any difference then if the boy had been kill by a car in the range parking lot.

Accidental death with a tool that is meant to seriously harm or kill. Supervised by a 15 year old kid!

That has absolutely nothing to do with an accidental death in a parking lot. As a matter of fact, the situation of being killed in a parking lot is very remote unless the driver of the car was going very fast or was not paying attention. Both of which have to do with the driver and not the car.

Back to square one.

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

You know Intrepid we all weight risk/benefit in taking precautions in life.

My computer have the level of security on it that most government computers do not have and yet my threat level is very very low and there is no real need to have anywhere near that level of security install.

On the other hand the cost of installing this level of security is also very very low, so why not do so?

The risk of a bear attack or that someone is going to mount an attack on my computer that would call for the level of security that would slow down or even stop the NSA is small so what?

Having real strong security cost me no more then having the level of security call for in my case and having a 45 along in bear country cost me nothing but carrying a little more weight on me.

You are taking this thread so far off track that I will not respond to you further. Perhaps you should start a thread on the relative cost of security on different levels.

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