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New student group wants right to carry guns on campus

 
 
Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 07:04 pm
This is just common sense:


New student group
wants right to carry guns on campus

MUNCIE --
Should a campus shooting ever happen at Ball State University,
Blake Graham wants the right to protect himself by firing back.

The junior criminal justice major, who just recently applied for
a gun permit, is the president of a new student group called
Ball State Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, which drew
about 10 people -- mostly permit holders -- to its first meeting
this month. The group is a local branch of a national organization,
Students for Concealed Carry on Campus.

"We feel that it's our right that we need to be able to protect ourselves," Graham said.

The local activity comes in the wake of mass killings in February
at Northern Illinois University, where six students were slain
in a lecture hall, and the April 2007 shooting spree at Virginia
Tech that claimed 33 lives.

It was the Virginia Tech shooting that led David Barker,
the founder of Ball State Students for Concealed Carry on Campus
and now a BSU alumnus, to organize the group last spring.

"I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing when the
shooting at Virginia Tech happened. It's kind of one of those
9/11 moments," he said. "It struck me so emotionally
to sit here and feel like I do now and do nothing, what good does
that do for society?"

To Barker, the most logical thing to do was to fight for the right
to carry firearms on campus, so that if anyone set out to launch
a killing spree at Ball State, someone might be able to stop a
tragedy from happening.


The idea, he said, is counterintuitive.

"The last thing we would think as a solution to this violence would
be more guns," Barker said. "As it turns out, scientifically it's mind-
boggling, but against all odds we find that introducing more guns
somehow magically makes gun violence go down."

To Paul Chandler, the group's faculty advisor and an associate
professor in the Department of Natural Resources and
Environmental Management, not allowing those with legal permits
to carry on campus is just inviting a tragedy at Ball State.

"The events of about a year or so ago at Virginia Tech
demonstrated that gun-free zones amount to spree-killer welcome
zones and had someone had a firearm in Blacksburg, Va., you
might not have had 30-some students killed," he said
.

But carrying guns on campus is against Ball State University policy.
University code states that weapons, including firearms, are
prohibited on Ball State property, "whether (a person) is licensed
to carry the weapon or not."

And legislation introduced last January before the Indiana General
Assembly -- House Bill 158, which would prohibit state
universities from regulating firearms -- failed to pass in this year's session.

Despite the lack of support from the university and state
legislators, Graham and others from Concealed Carry on Campus
will continue to fight for a bill that would provide them with
the freedom they want. Because not only do they believe it could
it prevent a tragedy like the one at Virginia Tech, they say it is
also their constitutional right.


"The Second Amendment does not stop at the boundary of Ball
State University
," Chandler said.

But the idea of students carrying guns on campus is frightening to
many students, even though background checks are required for
permit holders and the group says they are "normal, everyday
people" and "law-abiding citizens."

"If you want to have guns on public, city property that's fine,
but not on campus," freshman Cameron Thompson said.
"Yeah, they have a license, but they could be stressed out,
they could be the ones that cause Virginia Tech or something.
They could create the chance."

Junior J. Harris said he could see both sides of the issue.

"I actually have a permit to carry myself, I just don't. There's
really no reason," J. Harris, a former U.S. Marine, said. "You can't
prevent tragedy from happening just by show of force... People
are going to do what they're going to do. Could it have been
minimized? Possibly. But at the same time, it could have been made worse."

Instead, Harris suggested authorities should "let (students) carry,
just not concealed, so at least people know."

But when permit holders in Indiana are already allowed to carry
guns off campus, Chandler said those who want separate rules on
campus are "hypocritical."

"If a student is worried about someone on campus being armed,
then they should never leave campus because lots of people off
campus are armed. And so if they do leave campus, then their
view of people on campus being armed is somewhat
hypocritical," he said.

Barker said he just hopes people will take the time to weigh both
sides of the issue.

"If you just give someone five minutes of you're time,
you'll be surprised by the kinds of changes in thought
you'll be experiencing," he said. [emphasis added by David]


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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 07:45 pm
I think that's an excellent plan. Why would you want to waste the time of someone intent on shooting students having to go all the way home just to get his guns. Build lockers so they can store them at school.

Also allow all postal workers to carry so that going postal can be achieved with greater efficiency. And above all, get rid of the detectors at court houses. Why shouldn't 'Mericans be able to carry their pistols with them any old damn place they please?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 08:49 pm
we will have guns and ammo stores next to the College Union.
TTH
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 09:15 pm
@JTT,
Geez, I always carried a gun with me on campus when I attended college to get my 4 year degree.
kuvasz
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 10:01 pm
i guess it would be futile to point out that the second amendment states that only the federal government can not restrict guns and ball state is not the federal goverment.

of course the courts could use the commerce clause to allow weapons to be allowed on campus but it is unlikely
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 10:20 pm
@TTH,
Quote:
Geez, I always carried a gun with me on campus when I attended college to get my 4 year degree.


The ladies thought I was carrying too, but I was just happy to see them.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 03:20 am
@JTT,
Quote:

I think that's an excellent plan.

Yeah; like your right to your own beliefs,
your right to defend your life and property
is always with u
, no matter where u go.

Quote:

Why would you want to waste the time of someone intent on
shooting students having to go all the way home just to get his guns.

Its like if u get a flat tire out on the road,
u shoud not have to go home to get your jack, right ?




Quote:

Build lockers so they can store them at school.

For shoulder weapons, OK,
but for handguns: I don 't think that 's necessary.
People have lost their earthly lives
because thay did not have
their defensive emergency equipment within ez reach.


Quote:

Why shouldn't 'Mericans be able to carry their pistols with them
any old damn place they please?

Good point. U never know.
Its always better to HAVE a gun and not NEED it
than it is to NEED a gun and not HAVE it.
That coud get embarrassing.





David




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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 03:27 am
@farmerman,
Quote:

we will have guns and ammo stores next to the College Union

Yeah; I bet thay 'd show a good profit.
Many college kids r athletic n like to go into the mountains, camping.
We used to do that in Upstate NY.

There is no logical reason for them to be excluded.
I coud see a possible argument for excluding guns from bars,
but people don 't get especially belligerent while studying,
as a general rule. When the police are called upon to sit
for a training session, are thay forced to disarm ?





David




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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 04:16 am
@TTH,
Quote:

I always carried a gun with me on campus when I attended college
to get my 4 year degree.

Yeah; I remember in English class, for public speaking,
we were called upon to have a "show & tell".
I brought in an M-1 Carbine and field stripped it,
explaining how its functions; got a good grade.
I had to carry it around with me; no controversy; no big deal,
the same as if I were carrying a fishing pole around.

Contrast that with the demented paranoia extant today:
about a year ago, I was driving home, in need of sanitary relief.
Traffic on the Parkway was very severely snarled; horrible torture.

A massive police presence, with several heliocopters and many
different kinds of heavy ground equipment were conspicuously
in evidence. I suspected that possibly a plane might have crashed
outside of Idlewild or LaGuardia Airports, for so much attention to have arisen.
After getting home, around 6:30,
curiousity moved me to find out what happened.
I strolled over to a young police officer and inquired.
It turned out that about 4 hours earlier,
a student and an off duty security guard had jumped a student
who had been carrying an unloaded single shot rifle,
ripped it away from him, arrested him, and called the police,
who arrived and took him into custody in an unarmed condition,
since he had already been disarmed before police were summoned.
This was around 2 PM.
During evening rush hour, around 6:30, hundreds of police were STILL
re-routing traffic and preventing cars from using roads
within a couple of miles of the college.
It boggles the mind. Whichever police official decided
to cause that traffic jam, in all directions, shoud have been
severly disciplined. After the police officer told me the reason
for all the comotion, I mentioned my "show & tell" session
in English class around 50 years ago.
It was the same planet, but not the same world.




David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 04:19 am
@JTT,
Quote:

The ladies thought I was carrying too,
but I was just happy to see them.

That means u r a guy ?
I thought u were a chick.
TTH
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2008 05:29 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
A "chick" is a small bird
roger
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2008 06:41 pm
@TTH,
Hey, wake up there, chickie.
TTH
 
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Reply Thu 23 Oct, 2008 12:21 am
@roger,
Hi roger Very Happy
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