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The First Arrest for Voter Registration Fraud. Happy Now?

 
 
Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 05:43 pm
some people have been screaming for bllod over voter registration fraud lately.

here ya go...


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Ontario police arrest man in voter fraud case

Mark Jacoby, who owns a firm hired by the California Republican Party, violated state laws with his own registration, authorities say.
By Evan Halper, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
October 20, 2008

SACRAMENTO -- The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario over the weekend on suspicion of voter registration fraud.

State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that all signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California. His firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM, collects petition signatures and registers voters in California and other states.

Jacoby's arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department late Saturday came after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by people employed by YPM. The voters said YPM workers tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters.


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.story


frankly, i'm surprised that none of the people who've been so vocal about this type of fraud didn't post this earlier...
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 05:58 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Now, that was a republican with no connection to ACORN right? Very Happy
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 06:03 pm
um-hm... Mr. Green
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 06:07 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Where should this go? ... in the I'm a lying sleazeball, says McCain thread or in this one? Hmmmmmm.


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John McCain's campaign has directed $175,000 to the firm of a Republican operative accused of massive voter registration fraud in several states.

Sam Stein

According to campaign finance records, a joint committee of the McCain-Palin campaign, the RNC and the the California Republican Party, made a $175,000 payment to the group Lincoln Strategy in June for purposes of "registering voters." The managing partner of that firm is Nathan Sproul, a renowned GOP operative who has been investigated on multiple occasions for suppressing Democratic voter turnout, throwing away registration forms and even spearheading efforts to get Ralph Nader on ballots to hinder the Democratic ticket.

In a letter to the Justice Department last October, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers said that that Sproul's alleged activities "clearly suppress votes and violate the law."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/20/mccain-employing-gop-oper_n_136254.html

JTT
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 06:20 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
ACORN followed law on suspect voter registrations
Voter group is required to turn in all forms it collects, told officials of dubious ones

ACORN, the liberal-leaning community activist group, followed the law when it notified authorities that some of the voter registration applications it submitted in Lake County apparently were fraudulent.

What's not clear is whether canvassers acted alone when they created those fraudulent registrations -- a felony officials say they will prosecute -- or whether ACORN might have played some role in their creation.

But ACORN said it had nothing to do with producing the registrations and pointed out it is barred by law from destroying any applications. It also said it is required to turn them in even if it thinks the registrations are fraudulent.

[emphasis added to help conservatives zero in on the important portions]

Election officials confirmed ACORN's responsibility under the law.

Also, an independent voting law expert dismissed concerns that the application flap creates a significant opportunity for voter fraud in Indiana.

Nathaniel Persily, a Columbia Law School professor, said registration fraud is very different from actual voter fraud, which occurs at the polls.

"The effect is not going to change the outcome of the election or allow imaginary people to vote," he said.

ACORN said it took steps to ensure officials knew some of the registrations it turned in were potentially bad.

"We ID'd those applications as questionable," Charles D. Jackson, spokesman for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, said of the Lake County applications.

"We turned them in three separate stacks: ones we had been able to verify, ones that were incomplete and ones that were questionable or suspicious."

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081018/NEWS0502/810180457


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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 06:26 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
I wonder how much media coverage this one will get. Probably close to none.

You know, them damn liberal newspapers only talk bad about the republicans.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 11:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I wonder how much media coverage this one will get. Probably close to none.

You know, them damn liberal newspapers only talk bad about the republicans.


yeah, really. damn main stream media. print the news for 230 years and the next thing ya know, they they think they're journalists.

i'm sure the erstwhile broadcaster of record, rush limbaugh will bring it up though.
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roger
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 02:51 am
It's a start. Now, lets follow up - unless prohibited by a supreme court, or something.
revel
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 09:45 am
@roger,
Wouldn't that be a nightmare déjà vu scenario?

I just keep picturing an Obama win by a landslide followed by lawsuits with the supreme court stepping in and givng the presidency to McCain and we will all just have to take it again.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 10:15 am
@revel,
That may end up true as far as electoral votes are concerned, but that's not the message we keep getting from the media. They continue to tell us how close this race is - and getting closer as election day approaches. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
roger
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 11:29 am
@cicerone imposter,
For real? They say it's getting closer?

Well, I would like to see it very close. Like maybe one vote to determine the winner. I do so enjoy watch these razor thin victories being called landslides and mandates. It's not a mandate, moron. It's a statement that someone has decided you are marginally less disastarous than someone else.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 11:32 am
@roger,
I thought this would be of interest to you and some others:
Quote:

Armies of Lawyers Are Ready to Roll

With Florida 2000 never far from the surface, both sides are ready for one or more sequels. Obama, in particular, has assembled what is de facto the nation's largest law firm, with 5000 lawyers ready to sue at the drop of a ballot. The challenges have already started, with multiple voter-registration cases in the courts right now. It makes one pine for the old days when elections were decided by the voters rather than by judges, as in 2000 and very possibly in 2008.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2008 04:00 pm
If the story is true, then yes I am happy about it.

Now lets round up every other person in the country that is committing vote fraud and prosecute them also.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2008 11:36 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

If the story is true, then yes I am happy about it.

Now lets round up every other person in the country that is committing vote fraud and prosecute them also.


just a small thing here, j. the charges are for voter registration fraud, not actual voter fraud. that's more like ballot box stuffing.

in any case, i take our right to vote pretty seriously. i hate to see anybody playing games with the process.

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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2008 11:43 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
Calfornia's Prop 2 was put on the ballot by HSUS. HSUS is known for hiring out of state companies to do petition drives for signatures to get their animal rights numbnutshit proposals on ballots around the country.

Will this force California to review and possibly dismiss Proposal 2? I hope so.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2008 12:26 pm
@cjhsa,
cjhsa wrote:

Calfornia's Prop 2 was put on the ballot by HSUS. HSUS is known for hiring out of state companies to do petition drives for signatures to get their animal rights numbnutshit proposals on ballots around the country.

Will this force California to review and possibly dismiss Proposal 2? I hope so.



there's nothing wrong with hiring a company from out of state to do petition drives as long as they perform due diligence.

jacoby is a different story; using a false address to appear legal.

as far as prop 2? i'll be thinking of you when i vote for it.

i mean c'mon, cj. i don't have a problem with you shooting critters as long as you eat them. but, **** do you feel a need to cage them and abuse them first?
cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2008 12:27 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
You've swallowed the HSUS bullshit hook, line, and sinker DTOM. You just haven't felt the barb yet. (you will when eggs are $1/each).
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2008 12:34 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Seriously, rather than regulate how others do business based on your emotional connection to their product, why don't you raise your own damn chickens?

Your mindset is one that makes those trying to be productive just shake their heads in bewilderment. Thanks to you, the country is fucked, as are the markets. Welcome to the hippy reality.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Wed 22 Oct, 2008 01:55 pm
@cjhsa,
cjhsa wrote:

Your mindset is one that makes those trying to be productive just shake their heads in bewilderment. Thanks to you, the country is fucked, as are the markets. Welcome to the hippy reality.


you're wrong. my mindset is based on experience. i grew up with a working farm on the other side of our back fence. also, i helped our neighbor with his little rabbit farm for a few years (and worked on his father's full farm a few summers). as his business grew, we started seeing an increase in diseased animals (i.e. lost profits) because of overcrowded cages. when we built out more and larger cages, we saw a return to healthier and tastier rabbits.

if ya want to know why the country is fucked, as you say, try being objective and realize that one of the main components of business growth, reinvestment, is one of the things that has been abandoned for 20+ years in favor of continuous profit taking by get rich quick mentality stakeholders.

with 15 years in national and international corporate experience and about the same in "small business", i know what i'm talking about.

when you see the "efficiency experts" coming, run like hell as fast and far away as you can.

if you like the idea of eating from sick and/or dying animal, please be my guest. but if you personally follow the nuge and eat nothing but fresh game, you have nothing to complain about and are just looking for one more reason to gripe about hippies. Laughing

as far as price goes, with all of the big corporate farms and cheap illegal labor and imports from south of the border, it still costs about 5 bucks for anything you pick up at the grocery.
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 31 Oct, 2008 03:48 pm
I don't know if this belongs on this thread but as I hate starting threads..

Quote:
Agreement in Colo. lawsuit helps purged voters

DENVER " Thousands of Colorado residents who had been scratched from voter registration rolls will be allowed to cast ballots on Election Day and their votes will be given special protection to ensure they are counted, following the resolution of a federal lawsuit filed against the state.

Colorado Common Cause and other groups alleged in a lawsuit filed last week that the state illegally removed an estimated 27,000 people from the voter list during the 90 days leading up to the August primary.

The groups argued that federal law prohibits any systematic removal of names from voter rolls within 90 days of an election with three exceptions: voters who have been convicted of a felony, have died or have requested removal.

Lawyers for the Colorado attorney general's office countered that the names were removed to correct voter registration records, in some cases because the voter had moved or was registered more than once. No eligible voter would be denied the right to vote, they said.

Under an agreement reached by both sides late Wednesday, the state will generate a list of voters whose registrations were canceled before the August primary. Those voters will have to cast provisional ballots on Election Day, but their ballots must be counted unless election officials can prove the voters were ineligible.

Many states typically require those who cast provisional ballots to later provide proof of eligibility. The Colorado agreement places the burden of proof on state election officials.

"We believe the settlement protects the voters of Colorado, and that was our mission," said Penda Hair, one of the attorneys representing the groups that sued.

Secretary of State Mike Coffman, whose office purged the voters from the registration rolls, maintained that the removals conformed with federal law.

U.S. District Judge John Kane gave both sides of the lawsuit a chance to reach the agreement after listening to about five hours of testimony Wednesday. He told lawyers he thought there were circumstances in which the state was "out of bounds" in purging voters but that he didn't want to impose any changes that could result in long lines and other problems at the polls next week.

In Michigan, a federal appeals court handed a similar victory to 5,500 people who had been thrown off the voter registration rolls.

The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said Thursday that state election officials should not remove registered voters from the rolls, even if their voter ID cards were returned as undeliverable.

In a 2-1 ruling, the Cincinnati-based court said Michigan voters are properly registered when applications are approved and names are added to the rolls " not if they receive a card in the mail.

The court said poll workers still can require people to show proof of residency when they ask for a ballot Tuesday.

The lawsuit was filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, the United States Student Association Foundation and the Michigan branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081031/ap_on_el_ge/voter_purges

 

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