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Law of Averages Kicks In

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2008 09:42 am
@Foxfyre,
Transcript for the debate can be found here

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/Story?id=4670271&page=3

Obama never says he doesn't care.
Obama never says the tax revenues don't matter.
Obama did say taxation is a matter of fairness.
Obama never said he shares Marxist principles
Obama never says he would force redistribution of wealth.

Taxation is not a forced redistribution of wealth. It is taxation and exists as such. Claiming it is forced redistribution is nothing more than an attempt to inject your feelings into the issue.

FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2008 03:10 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:
Well, you heard him say it. He wants to spread the wealth around.

No, I didn't. But apparently somebody else did.
Quote:
Here's the context from the pool report from Fox's (excellent) producer on the ground, Bonney Kapp.

Turns out that the second sound bite -- the spread the wealth around part -- comes later in the conversation, when the plumber said that it seemed like Obama would support a flat tax.

We can wade into Obama's answer in midstream. First he discusses a technical point about the flat tax. Then he says:

"And I do believe for folks like me who have worked hard, but frankly also been lucky, I don''t mind paying just a little bit more than the waitress that I just met over there who''s things are slow and she can barely make the rent. Because my attitude is that if the economy''s good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody."

"If you've got a plumbing business, you're going to be better off it you've got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now I think everybody's so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody. "

He's simply restating support for a regressive progressive income tax, not making a larger statement about the economy.


Foxfyre wrote:
And that exhange with Charlie Gibson?

That's the one I'm asking you for. I didn't see anything that resembled your characterization. Though it is interesting to note that, based on that site, Obama isn't truly saved and should be calling Jesus a savior instead of an ally.

spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2008 03:28 pm
@FreeDuck,
I can't see what the expression "spread the wealth around" actually means. Especially when he only "wants" to.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2008 03:51 pm
@spendius,
His party has control of both houses of Congress.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2008 05:43 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Do they want to spread the wealth around as well?
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 17 Oct, 2008 06:14 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:
Taxation is not a forced redistribution of wealth.

The hell it ain't!
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2008 04:08 am
@joefromchicago,
How can it be Joe in a democracy. It has been chosen surely?
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2008 04:15 am
@joefromchicago,
Do you seriously think there would be any incomes to tax if there was no taxation?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2008 10:30 am
@spendius,
Quote:

Do they want to spread the wealth around as well?

Thay will not ADMIT IT,
but that is my assessment of the situation,
as to many of them, yes,
but not usually to the extreme that Obama does.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 18 Oct, 2008 10:40 am
@spendius,
Quote:

Do you seriously think there would be any incomes to tax
if there was no taxation?

In other words:
do the citizens depend upon government
for the existence of an economy
and can economic prosperity exist
in the absence of government ?

I cannot, in candor, hold myself out as some hot-shot economist,
but I very vaguely remember reading or hearing of some
jurisdictions whose governments supported themselves
by other taxation. I understand that some Arab governments
financially subsist upon taxation of sales of oil to us,
with no taxation of their own citizens.
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