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Boy Executed For Stealing Snacks

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 05:36 am
I still wonder whether Mame is advocating defense of home WITHOUT WEAPONS.





gungasnake
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 06:47 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Isnt deadly force supposed to be propotional?


Irrelevant. What you're talking about here is questions of how many times the victim had been robbed previously, how much psychic damage had been done by previous robberies, how threatened did the guy feel, how pissed off...

In other words, you're talking about psychology here and not logic.
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Joeblow
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 06:58 am
Personally, I can easily envision a group of four boys thinking it would be fun to steal sweets.

Based on the information in the articles, and regardless of what they intended, it’s unfathomable to me that anyone would complain that this guy was charged.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 07:56 am
@Joeblow,
Quote:

Based on the information in the articles, and regardless of what
they intended, it’s unfathomable to me that anyone would
complain that this guy was charged.

The idea is that any citizen shoud be 100% free to defend his property
without fear that government will partner up with the criminals and avenge them.

Every member of the jury shoud remember that maybe next time it will be HE
who must defend himself or his property
and he shoud be able to do so without fear of government.





David
Mame
 
  3  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 08:30 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

I still wonder whether Mame is advocating defense of home WITHOUT WEAPONS.


Yes, I am. If that idiot hadn't had a gun, that kid wouldn't have been shot. Of course, one could argue that he could have had the gun and not shot him, just told them to get off his property, which would have been the rational thing to do. Seems many gun-toters are not rational, though. Some even advocate arming children, if you can believe that.

If things went down the way they were reported (and I am still skeptical about newspaper reporting), then what Gonzalez did was out-and-out murder.

He wasn't protecting his home - those kids didn't appear to be threatening him, if they were indeed only looking for food. They were on their knees (begging or not), which is not a threatening position. They don't appear to have been armed. And while there were four of them, they were youngsters. He was the one with the gun. He was the one in control. He was the "older, wiser, and more mature" of the group. Ha. And he shot the kid in the back, not a threatening position, either. He should go to jail for life.

And David, you will never get me to agree that having a weapon is a good thing, in your house or not, and I'm not even going to debate it. We are so far apart on this that it's futile.
edgarblythe
 
  3  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 08:33 am
Based on the accounts I have seen, the man had taken them prisoner. They were weaponless and at his mercy. He could have called the police and had them arrested. Instead, he committed willful murder. I agree that in Texas the law is too often skewed to favor the use of deadly force in these situations. I am voicing outrage, but not a lot of hope for justice.
Joeblow
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 08:43 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David, both sides acknowledge the boys were on their knees. Seems to me that aside from any Twinkies they may have had in their gullets, his cookies etc. were safe.


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JPB
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 08:44 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Isnt deadly force supposed to be propotional? Is killing some kid for escaping from Gonzales' trailer a deed proportional to the crime commited by the boy ?

I think not. Therefore, Gonzales should be convicted. However, this is TExas were talking about, where ,probably all the jury is packing


I had the same thought, farmerman. When some Galveston folks were asked what they would do if they were "forced" to evacuate for Ike they responded, "We've got guns and we know how to use them." Independence to a fault seems to be a fairly typical mindset.

I'm not surprised Gonzales was charged with murder but I'll be somewhat surprised if he's convicted.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 09:14 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
Based on the accounts I have seen, the man had taken them prisoner. They were weaponless and at his mercy. He could have called the police and had them arrested. Instead, he committed willful murder. I agree that in Texas the law is too often skewed to favor the use of deadly force in these situations

It seems a little unlikely
that it actually happened that way, but u never know.


Quote:
I am voicing outrage

Nothing rong with that, Ed; that 's what America is for.

If I 'd been him, after thay surrendered,
I 'd have given them the candy n let em go.





David
edgarblythe
 
  3  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 09:17 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You are sadistic, David. You would make a good terrorist.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 09:22 am
@JPB,
Quote:

When some Galveston folks were asked what they would do if they
were "forced" to evacuate for Ike they responded, "We've got guns
and we know how to use them."

Independence to a fault seems to be a fairly typical mindset.

Behold the voice of REAL Americans.
America was created for people like that; makes me PROUD.
Thay r aware that we created government to be our SERVANT,
not our master.





David
JPB
 
  2  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 09:31 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Are you from Texas, David?
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 09:49 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
You are sadistic, David.

U mean because I said:
"If I 'd been him, after thay surrendered,
I 'd have given them the candy n let em go." ?


Quote:
You would make a good terrorist.

Thank u, Ed; very kind of u to say so; depends on the situation, I guess.
(I bet u coud be a good one too, if u conscientiously applied your talents to it.)


The last time someone told me that, it was my dead friend, Neil.
I 'd just given him an automatic umbrella for Christmas, or his birthday,
surreptitiously stuffed with $10s, $20s n $50 bills; I had him test it,
whereupon its clandestine contents fell upon him, to his alarm.

Its fun to do that with chicks, too.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 09:53 am
@JPB,
Quote:
Are you from Texas, David?

No. I was born in NY.
Except for 5 years that I spent in Arizona,
and one year in California,
I 've lived in NY all of my life.





David
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edgarblythe
 
  2  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 09:57 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I find your diatribes tiresome, David, and not in the least compelling. To argue you point by point would be like explaining the alphabet to my dog. Not very rewarding, not worth any effort.
OmSigDAVID
 
  2  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:02 am
@edgarblythe,
Well, if u r tired, just get your rest, old boy.
dyslexia
 
  3  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:03 am
first of all we don't have all the facts, however;
1. killing someone over the lost of "things" is not acceptable in our society.
2. shooting/killing someone when your life (or others) is in immediate danger is acceptable.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:06 am
@dyslexia,
Quote:
1. killing someone over the lost of "things" is not acceptable in our society.

Well, that is a politically correct point of vu, so I 'll reject it out-of-hand.

I hope that the jury will acquit him.





David
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:06 am
@OmSigDAVID,
On the contrary; I am full of zest and about to embark on a busy day of weed and brush cleaning.
OmSigDAVID
 
  1  
Reply Sat 27 Sep, 2008 10:11 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
weed and brush cleaning

Sounds like FUN. As Richard Bach put it:
" We are the otters of the universe." Good luck with that.
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