OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL

@Cycloptichorn,

I'm sorry Cyc, but that is unacceptable.

Were this the exact same story but had McCain's name attached instead of Obama's you would be raising the exact same ruckus that has been raised as it would have made McCain out to be the golden boy saving Iraq instead of Obama.

I know in the past you have damn well trusted the word of various individual Iraqi minister's when they have bad-mouthed Bush. You know it as well as I do so that has no bearing on this story.

Delaying the agreement until Obama has taken office (as though that would actually happen) gives the appearance of playing politics with the American military. There is a story in this and we will see where it goes.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix wrote:

I'm sorry Cyc, but that is unacceptable.

Were this the exact same story but had McCain's name attached instead of Obama's you would be raising the exact same ruckus that has been raised as it would have made McCain out to be the golden boy saving Iraq instead of Obama.

I know in the past you have damn well trusted the word of various individual Iraqi minister's when they have bad-mouthed Bush. You know it as well as I do so that has no bearing on this story.

Delaying the agreement until Obama has taken office (as though that would actually happen) gives the appearance of playing politics with the American military. There is a story in this and we will see where it goes.

10 to 1 it goes nowhere, as the writer confused the two different agreements in question. Facts do matter, yaknow.

Cycloptichorn

on edit - actually, a little research shows that Tahiri, the writer of the article, has has problems with making up quotations and stories in the past -

Quote:

"A Colour Code for Iran's Infidels" written by Taheri, a "prominent U.S. neo-conservative" [3], was published May 19, 2006, by Canada's National Post. The story "regarding new legislation in Iran allegedly requiring Jews and other religious minorities to wear distinctive colour badges circulated around the world this weekend before it was exposed as false," Jim Lobe wrote May 22, 2006, for Inter Press Service.

"The National Post retracted the article hours after it was posted to their site, and blamed Taheri for the bad info." [4] Eleana Benador later admitted that her PR firm, Benador Associates, had planted the false story. Reporting on the controversy, Larry Cohler-Esses wrote in The Nation: [5]

Benador, who said her client [Amir Taheri] was "traveling in the Middle East," was impatient with dissections of his work. Terming accuracy with regard to Iran "a luxury," she said, "My major concern is the large picture. Is Taheri writing one or two details that are not accurate? This is a guy who is putting his life at stake." She noted that "the Iranian government has killed its opponents." Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "says he wants to destroy Israel. He says the Holocaust never happened.... As much as being accurate is important, in the end it's important to side with what's right. What's wrong is siding with the terrorists."

Taheri might seem to be one of Benador's biggest liabilities. In fact, he is right now the agency's proudest coup. On May 30--just days after the National Post's apology for running his false story on Iranian Jews--Taheri was one of a group of "Iraq experts" brought to the White House to consult with George W. Bush on the disastrous situation there.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Amir_Taheri

He's just another neocon hack, not exactly an objective reporter.

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@McGentrix,

Playing politics with the lives and deaths of American Army personal has been the main tool of the present regime.
Why i say this is............
There are a few Americans who had lost their lives because of the barbaric unchristian irrational war.
Their bodies were not shown in media nor the responsible persons in the higher level had shown any sympathy.
If this is not playing politics what else.
One Guy had a convention and he had abused 11th september for his political image refurbishment.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

neocon

Men that use that term have never satisfied a woman.

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@Cycloptichorn,

*sigh* kill the messenger?

I doubt an Obamamite would have posted the story. Perhaps you could research the allegations instead of the author?

We'll see if it goes anywhere, if it doesn't that's cool, I'd hope Obama wouldn't try something like that and if it does, well, it only helps McCain.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Bullsh!t you LOSER!!!

Where does ANY Senator get off trying to negotiate foreign policy and military strategy of this Nation?

That is the job of the President and his staff. Not some Jr. Senator from Illinois.

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
neocon

Men that use that term have never satisfied a woman.

that's all ya got, isn't it? junior high towel snapping? brilliant.

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Woiyo9 wrote:

YOU DO NOT PLAY POLITICS WITH THE LIVES OF OUR SOLDIERS!!

why is it that you've never mentioned this to your fearless commander in chief ?

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2008/05/01/image4061139g.jpg

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The ignore feature is awesome!! Cool

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@DontTreadOnMe,

If only you had something of substance to offer...

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and here's a few more pearls of wisdom from your new hero;

Quote:

Iraqi minister defends Iranian nuclear program
'Every country has right' to nuclear technology, Zebari says

Friday, May 26, 2006; Posted: 6:56 p.m. EDT (22:56 GMT)

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iran has a right to develop nuclear technology and the international community should drop its demands that Tehran prove it's not trying to build a nuclear weapon, Iraq's foreign minister said Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/26/iraq.iran/index.html

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@Woiyo9,

I would feel better if this opinion piece had more supporting facts to bolster its claims.

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@McGentrix,

Nope. I would feel the same about the story if it was McCain. The story is obviously filled with half truths and innuendo. There are not a lot of facts there. Then Woiyo tried to trumpet this story like he was Blue Flame promoting one of his conspiracy theories.

Maybe you should have a little intellectual honesty here McG. The story is crap and the supposed facts in the story show it is crap.
1. Obama never pushed to stall a withdrawal because there was NOT going to be a withdrawal prior to the next President taking office.
2. The dates given in the story don't make any sense with an attempt to stall withdrawal. The present discussion doesn't want to withdraw until 2011 or 2012 so I don't see how waiting til jan 2009 to make the agreement slows down a withdrawal.
3. Bush doesn't want to make a time table so how can you slow down a withdrawal that is open ended?

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@Woiyo9,

What evidence do you have of Obama negotiating foreign policy?

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

I would feel better if this opinion piece had more supporting facts to bolster its claims.

you mean you do not trust the veracity of the new york post ??? Laughing

http://www.bu.edu/globalbeat/jpg/Post%20weasel.jpg

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@parados,

Did you even bother to read the OP?

Maybe you should.

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@McGentrix,

I read it. It read like gossip to me. I know it is an opinion piece and all, but it just does not read like something you would take at face value. There are probably some facts buried in there somewhere. I would not be surprised if Obama opposed the Status of Forces agreement since, as you may recall there was a legitimate debate as to whether the President had the authority to negotiate it without Congress.

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@Ramafuchs,

My wish is this.
Both candidates cannot make the system clean.
But among the two I wish that young Obama is far far far far far better than his counterpart.
If the rational, cultured, civilized citizen of USA who are eleigible to vote and who WISH TO make use of their choice then my appeal is to make use of the qualified kitchen cleaner to be the successor of the christian conservative.
I mean Obama.
His middle name is not 11th september
HE IS NOT A WHITE but a person of dignity with self made qualification.
The worst that happen is this.
With the lobby crowd and easy chair intellectuals and soup sipping homelss persons and disgusted decent wage earning employess he may not fulfill his shakespearena assurances.
But we the far off observers beg all the voters in USA to dethrown Republicans and use your best choice.
by electing Bush's party you people are antogonizing the intellegentia around the globe.
Rama Fuchs

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@McGentrix,

Yes, I read it. Nothing there which is why I asked.

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@McGentrix,

McGentrix, do you deliberately ignore things which don't fit into your argument? Where were you all when the whole Iraqi/Bush security agreement was being negotiated and talked about?

In the first security agreement the Bush administration wouldn't commit to even talking about withdrawal but after some flack from Iraqis parliament and others they finally bent enough to say "time horizon" depending on facts on the ground. Well, that signified nothing new and the Iraqis demanded a firm time table (rather than a vague meaningless timetable the Bush administration wanted, ) and that was around the time Obama visited Iraq and was making noise about a timetable being in the neighborhood of 16 months.

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSL198009020080719

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