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Native Americans Perspective

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 08:14 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Well the piece was specifically about Republican Native Americans, Nimh, so it makes perfect sense that the obligatory few quotations would come from that group.

Fair enough!
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 08:19 am
You all might find this website interesting also.

http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/native-americans-aganst-obama-no-where/

Obama's heath care plan lives out millions of Native
American's, along with millions of Americans.

Even though, Obama promises to end the war, each time a vote has occored, he has voted for the bill.

A Black Member of Congress,who has contributed large amounts of money to Obama's campian, wants to vote against the Cherokee Nation, in regards to the freedman '
issue. This will be a debt owed to all blacks that have voted for Obama, thus leaving the very large possiblity that He MAY side with the freedman issue.

Obama is for Nuclear Energy, and has accepted over a Quarter Million Dollars from Exelon. This is a agency that provided Nuclear Energy in IL. We do not want Nuclear waste on our lands, it is dangerous for our people. Not to mention, what it has done to the land.

Many Native Americans are members of the armed services, or veterans. We believe Obama, will not help our members of the service, or help our veterans...

Obama, has changed his mind over Isreal, Public Finance, the War, and just about ever other position he has even taken. Why should we think he would treat us any different?

The job of President is not on the job training........

These are only a few of the reasons, it is the Goal of Native American's Against Obama to educate and inform all who care to listen. This will hopefully encourage all to Think Before You Vote. Remember we only want what is best for All Native American Tribes, and also all Americans.


alex240101
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 08:26 am
@Woiyo9,
Lip service....
Palin may talk the talk, but, she certainly, doesn't walk the talk.
Palin's husband doesn't walk the walk.

Platform vs. Record.

(Ariel hunting of wolves and asking the United States government to take polar bears off the endangered species list. Aren't wolves and bears sacred to the Native American community?)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 08:27 am
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
Wow, great website and really interesting stuff.
Since the majority of Native Americans do seem to be tilting right of center,
I trust it is not the Republicans who are perceived as being the group
practicing discrimination, voter suppression, etc?

Yeah, I am a Native American,
because I was born in Queens County, New York, and I intend to tilt right of center.





David
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 08:33 am
@alex240101,
Seems there are conflicting opinions about Gov. Palins performance as Gov.

I think I will look at her approval rating from those who actually live there and form my opinion based upon that.

With respect to Native American Issues, again, I will look at the performance and platform of both McCain and Obama and base my opinion on that as well as the opinions of those who know.

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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 08:40 am
OK, I couldnt find exit poll data by state for 2000 - on CNN they now seem to only still have the national level data.

But they have 'em for 2004, and the data is split up by white, african-american, latino, asian and "other" voters.

Here's a little table about how those "others" voted. It shows, for reference sake, the share of Native Americans of the population overall (from the link Woiyo posted); and then their share of the actual voters in 2004 and how they split their votes between Bush and Kerry (all from the exit poll data). I've only looked at the states where Native Americans make up at least 5% of the population.

Code: NATIVE AM'S "OTHER" HOW THEY VOTED
STATE % OF POP. % OF VOTERS BUSH KERRY

Alaska 19% 8% 45% 51%
New Mexico 11% 9% 33% 65%
South Dakota 9% 4% 46% 53%
Oklahoma 8% 9% 53% 47%
Arizona 6% 5% 42% 56%
Montana 6% 2% no data
North Dakota 6% 1% no data

I basically see three main things:

  • There are great differences from state to state, both in turnout and in voting preferences. So generalisations about Native American voters are out.
  • In 4 of the 7 states, turnout among Native Americans must be very weak, as the share of "other" voters among voters is much smaller than the share of NA's of the population.
  • In 4 of the 5 states where data is available, "other" voters, presumably mostly Native Americans, went for Kerry over Bush; in New Mexico and Arizona Kerry led by double-digit numbers in this group.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 08:45 am
@Woiyo9,
typical race card bullshit. boo-hoo. Go cook dinner for the men and the strong women if you're so sensitive.
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squinney
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 09:04 am
@Woiyo9,
You might want to do some additional reading on Republican handling of Indian Affairs.

http://www.reznetnews.org/blogs/red-clout/bush-seeks-cut-vital-indian-programs

Quote:
While Bush has never been considered a friend to Indian Country, it's difficult to recall a time when the president has so blatantly shown his disdain for Native people as he has in recent weeks.

Coupled with his threatened veto of the Indian Health Care Improvement Act last month, Bush's proposed budget cuts can be seen as nothing less than evidence of an Indian fighter displaying his true nature.

There was one project familiar to Indian people for which Bush proposed increased funding.

Under his budget, the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump in Nevada would see an additional $108 million in funding for the next fiscal year. Long opposed by tribes, the dump's elevated status in the Bush budget plan further demonstrates the president's lack of sensitivity to tribal concerns.


Meanwhile, at the Democratic Convention...

http://www.reznetnews.org/article/first-americans-caucus/native-section-democratic-platform-stresses-sovereignty
Quote:
With their words helping to lay the foundation for the Barack Obama and Joseph Biden campaign, the delegates from Indian Country huddled in a meeting room at the Colorado Convention Center and shaped their part of the Democratic platform.

Frank LaMere, a Winnebago from Nebraska and chair of the Native American caucus, said his goal is "to establish from the outset a unity of purpose over the next few days."

"We are going to have to come together to make an impact on this political process," LaMere said.

Now at his sixth convention, LaMere presided over the First Americans Council " as the gathering was called " and told the group he has never seen as many Native delegates as the more than 100 who crowded into the room.
Endymion
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 09:04 am
Tuesday, August 5, 2008
Federal Court Upholds Voting Rights Of Alaska Natives Who Need Language Assistance
NARF And ACLU Victory Protects Yup’ik-Speaking Voters

ANCHORAGE " Late yesterday, a federal court ordered Alaska’s state and local elections officials to provide effective language assistance to citizens who speak Yup'ik, the primary language of a majority of voters in the Bethel region of Alaska. The victory came in a legal challenge brought by Native American Rights Fund (NARF) and the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of four Alaska Natives and four tribal governments.

“This is a huge victory, not only for Yup’ik voters, but for all Alaska Natives who want to participate in the democratic process,” said NARF attorney Natalie Landreth, who is lead co-counsel in the case. “The state of Alaska has recently taken the first step towards complying with its obligations under the law. But as the court recognized, the state’s recent efforts to provide Yup’ik language assistance are ‘relatively new and untested’ over 30 years after Alaska was first required to provide that assistance. Yup’ik voters will remain vigilant to work with the court to make sure the state’s first steps are not its last. Voting is too precious a right to be denied by bureaucratic neglect.”

The landmark ruling protects Yup’ik-speaking voters in the Bethel region of Alaska by requiring that the state provide language assistance, including trained poll workers who are bilingual in English and Yup’ik; sample ballots in written Yup’ik; a written Yup’ik glossary of election terms; consultation with local tribes to ensure the accuracy of Yup’ik translations; a Yup’ik language coordinator; and pre-election and post-election reports to the court tracking the state’s efforts. Alaska is required to comply with the order under the penalty of contempt.

More
http://narfnews.blogspot.com/2008/08/federal-court-upholds-voting-rights-of.html


More information about the ACLU’s work on voting rights is available at: http://www.votingrights.org/


Wow - it's only taken 30 years for those people
Guess they pretty much must feel like 3rd class citizens, eh?
Perhaps now they have the vote they can move on a little - who knows, maybe one day they can be like the Lakota - and take back what is rightfully theirs
http://www.naturalnews.com/022631.html

The Lakota have the right idea - no matter what befalls them because of their decision - they have not forgotten their ancestry.
I wouldn't blame them one little bit for wanting to govern themselves. The Lakota have the respect of many people outside of America - and reason to be proud.
Anyone, black , white or brown, who votes for more of what this Republican Government has inflicted on the world and on the reputation of America - should be ashamed of themselves IMO

Supporting war crimes? Torture. The stealing of other people's lands and resources? How could any native American feel comfortable doing that?


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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 09:11 am
@squinney,
Assuming that the reporting is accurate and complete in the article, I wonder if ONLY Native American programs are affected by the Bush proposals that will be declared dead on arrival in Congress anyway? It's one of those Catch 22 things I think. Bush will be condemned for presenting a budget that spends too much and he will be condemned for each and every proposed reduction of spending in anything.

How does a President make anybody happy with that situation?
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 09:17 am
@squinney,
Nothing you post is surprising or unknown to me. Yet, what you post says nothing about WHY Obama would be a "better choice" for Native Americans.

Reasons:

Obama's heath care plan lives out millions of Native
American's, along with millions of Americans.

Even though, Obama promises to end the war, each time a vote has occored, he has voted for the bill.

A Black Member of Congress,who has contributed large amounts of money to Obama's campian, wants to vote against the Cherokee Nation, in regards to the freedman '
issue. This will be a debt owed to all blacks that have voted for Obama, thus leaving the very large possiblity that He MAY side with the freedman issue.

Obama is for Nuclear Energy, and has accepted over a Quarter Million Dollars from Exelon. This is a agency that provided Nuclear Energy in IL. We do not want Nuclear waste on our lands, it is dangerous for our people. Not to mention, what it has done to the land.

Many Native Americans are members of the armed services, or veterans. We believe Obama, will not help our members of the service, or help our veterans...

Obama, has changed his mind over Isreal, Public Finance, the War, and just about ever other position he has even taken. Why should we think he would treat us any different?

The job of President is not on the job training........

These are only a few of the reasons, it is the Goal of Native American's Against Obama to educate and inform all who care to listen. This will hopefully encourage all to Think Before You Vote. Remember we only want what is best for All Native American Tribes, and also all Americans.

http://www.nativeamericansagainstobama.com/about.html
squinney
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 09:28 am
@Woiyo9,
I read it the first time.

Interesting thing is that you listen to that bunk. McCain is the one pushing for nuclear energy. Bush is the one that put the spent rods in the midwest.

Google Democratic platform Indian and compare that to google results for Republican platform Indian. Republicans don't even have native americans represented.

Google Mccain Obama nuclear energy" and see who is promoting it the most.

Woiyo9
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 10:27 am
@squinney,
As opposed to what I perceive is "bunk" from "your side"?

There are many Native Americans who support the Republican Party as there are many who support the Democrats. I support neither.

Therefore, unlike you, I can remain objective.
nimh
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 10:29 am
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:


Obama is for Nuclear Energy, and has accepted over a Quarter Million Dollars from Exelon. This is a agency that provided Nuclear Energy in IL. We do not want Nuclear waste on our lands, it is dangerous for our people. Not to mention, what it has done to the land.

Wait, so they are against Obama because he is too enthusiastic about nuclear energy? Who are they going to vote for then? Not McCain, surely?

I mean, just the other day in his nomination speech, McCain was blasting Obama for allegedly opposing more nuclear power, when McCain was all for it. His campaign manager added, "We need to build nuclear power plants. Senator Obama is against [it]".

Now that's a lie -- Obama is not a priori against more nuclear power, he just wants to make it safer. But of the two candidates, McCain definitely is the more hawkish one on nuclear power. So why are these people using it as an argument for voting against Obama?
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 10:32 am
@nimh,
Because they do not want it "in their back yard".

Can you blame them?

Nuclear Power is a delicate issue and neither Obama nor McCain really can live up to their respective "promises" in my view.
Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 11:36 am
@Woiyo9,
apparently some native americans are more equal than others
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 11:56 am
@Woiyo9,
I do support the Republicans not because I think they are basically any more honest or noble than the Democrats are, but because they do at least say that they support more issues I like than do the Democrats, and I fear what choices and freedoms we will lose and what kind of Supreme Court we will have if liberal Democrats achieved a veto proof and/or filibuster proof majority in Congress.

As for the pros and cons of Obama and McCain, I certainly have had (and have expressed) my problems with both. McCain, however, though he has flipflopped on some issues--all flops to the right--I trust to keep his word about what he has promised more than I trust Obama to hold deep convictions about much of anything that is important to me.

There is clearly a choice in the November election - more right or more left.
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 12:18 pm
@Foxfyre,
No candidate can be 100% in agreement with any persons beliefs/positions.

Most objective voters will side with the candidate that most closely fits their beliefs/position.

I have chosen NOT to register to any party since I believe candidates for office must compete for my vote.

So far, McCain seems to be my choice and I have tried to challenge Obama supporters to convince me Obama is the better choice. So far, they have come up short. So far, those Obama supporters have have convinced me even more that McCain is the right man for the job at this time in our history.
nimh
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 02:26 pm
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

Because they do not want it "in their back yard".

Can you blame them?

Well, shouldnt they be for Obama then? I mean, considering that at least he's reserved about the issue, while McCain is a positive crusader for more nuclear?
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 02:38 pm
I been trying to leave this one alone since this morning..

First, I don't speak for anyone but myself.

Second, Woiyo, you annoy the **** out of me when you pretend to speak for the American Indians as a group...

Third.

I had lunch with one of my best friends, who happens to be full Cherokee, and rez raised.

We discussed this little thred a bit, and came to the conclusion that all of the Amerindians we know think the Republicans are liars and thieves with no morals. Yeah, we don't like government interference, but no, we don't like to be lied to and treated as though we are nothing, either.

I'll go back to watching...
 

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