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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 10:07 am
@farmerman,
It's almost comical to see these so-called educated people pushing for creationism when they can't expand the curriculum beyond "god made/did it."

If that's all that is needed to get a masters degree, they should also offer a PhD because there's nothing more to learn.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 10:12 am
If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.

- Bertrand Russell
rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 10:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
If that's all that is needed to get a masters degree, they should also offer a PhD because there's nothing more to learn.

Cool. I could get a PhD over night Smile
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 03:19 pm
@Lightwizard,
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If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.


Not only very true but also very dangerous.

In Bertie's case particularly with regard to the "fact" of monogamy. It might be interesting to speculate on whether monogamy is a successful evolutionary adaptation in social terms just as a bird's wing is biologically. We are social animals after all.

His principle might be seen as a justification for his shagging anything he could lay his pacifist, left-wing hands on. Promiscuity is associated exclusivly with the lowest forms of human social organisation. Even relatively primitive societies have strict marriage customs.

He never came to terms with his pacifism in regard to Hitler.


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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 12:18 pm
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Scientists find 'missing link' in seal evolution
(By Steve Rennie, THE CANADIAN PRESS, 22nd April 2009)

Fossil hunters have found the remains of the earliest ancestor of seals, sea lions and walruses in Canada’s High Arctic.

The discovery sheds new light on the evolution of a group of animals called pinnipeds, from land-bound mammals to aquatic creatures of today.

“What it’s showing us is the early transitional stage in the evolution of pinnipeds,” said Natalia Rybczynski, a paleontologist at the Canadian Museum of Nature.

“The puzzle has always been, how did they evolve from a terrestrial form? Our animal fills that gap between the terrestrial ancestor and the marine forms that we see today.”

Scientists dubbed the creature Puijila darwini. “Puijila” means young sea mammal in Inuktitut. The second part of the name is a nod to Charles Darwin, who predicted this type of transitional creature 150 years ago in his seminal work, On the Origin of Species.

It measured about a metre long and probably looked something like an otter. It had a long, thin tail, webbed feet, powerful shoulders, big eyes and a strong jaw lined with large, canine teeth.

Duck and rodent fossils found in the animal’s gut suggest it likely hunted on both land and in the water.

“He probably was fairly agile in the water,” Rybczynski said. “We definitely think that this is a form that could hunt on the lake margins.”

The creature wouldn’t recognize its surroundings today. In its heyday, thought to be 20 million to 24 million years ago, what is now Nunavut’s desolate Devon Island was a verdant forest.

The area is now a bleak patch of cracked, brownish tundra in the pit of a crater from a meteor strike 23 million to 39 million years ago.

The remains, preserved for eons at the bottom of a prehistoric lake in the crater, are the most complete pinniped skeleton found so far.

A four-person team led by Rybczynski discovered the fossils during a July 2007 expedition to Devon Island.

The find was a fluke. The team’s all-terrain vehicle ran out of gas in the middle of the cracked tundra. Team member Elizabeth Ross cursed herself for not filling up the tank. Rybczynski and a photographer went off for fuel, leaving behind Ross and Mary Dawson, curator emeritus of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh, Pa.

“She’s scuffing around on the ground and she picks up this little fossil, a partial shin bone, and she shows it to Mary, and Mary confirms that’s a fossil,” Rybczynski said.

“They go back and then strewn over the surface you see there’s mandibles and leg bones and it’s just lying out there. So by the time myself and the photographer got back, Mary Dawson and Liz Ross were doing their fossil dance to indicate that they’d found something.

“So we ran over and they showed us handfuls of this black bone. It was beautiful.”

Rybczynski’s team dug up about 65 per cent of the animal’s bones over the next 10 days. They returned to the crater last July and will go a third time this summer to search for more bones.


http://www.sciencenews.org/view/download/id/43092/thumbnail/x_large/name/sb_seal_ancestor_illustration.jpg

rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 12:40 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

Quote:
Scientists find 'missing link' in seal evolution
(By Steve Rennie, THE CANADIAN PRESS, 22nd April 2009)

Fossil hunters have found the remains of the earliest ancestor of seals, sea lions and walruses in Canada’s High Arctic.

“The puzzle has always been, how did they evolve from a terrestrial form? Our animal fills that gap between the terrestrial ancestor and the marine forms that we see today.”

Cool, ANOTHER transitional fossil. Of course, the Creationists will want to see the transition between the transition, and then the transition between those, and so on and so on...

wandeljw wrote:
It measured about a metre long and probably looked something like an otter. It had a long, thin tail, webbed feet, powerful shoulders, big eyes and a strong jaw lined with large, canine teeth.

An Otter-lookalike, of course. Exactly as you would expect.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 12:46 pm
@rosborne979,
Of all the OCD people in the world, there's a higher percentage in the IDiots and Creationuts than in any other cross-section of society. If one refers to them as nitpickers, they'll want to see proof of the ancestry of the nit.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 12:53 pm
@wandeljw,
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Rybczynski’s team dug up about 65 per cent of the animal’s bones over the next 10 days. They returned to the crater last July and will go a third time this summer to search for more bones.


I can understand that. A change of scene does ginger up the old sap vesicles they say.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 01:07 pm
@Lightwizard,
Quote:
. If one refers to them as nitpickers, they'll want to see proof of the ancestry of the nit.


Why not? Can you outline the ancestry of a nit LW just so we all know what it is actually that you are talking about rather than that you are only talking about it discursively in the abstract.

Even nits do it. How do you go from nits to elephants which you would have to do with one common ancestor. Considering the number of nits compared to the number of elephants you would have to say that not evolving was a superior method of colonising territory. I've read that there are thousands in my bed linen. They live off the dead skin that flakes off my body when it abrades the sheets. The mattress is alive them they say. Maybe millions. Bed nits they are called. Or mites.

They are very quiet so I don't bother them.

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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 02:13 pm
Those are dust mites but I fear they've been crawling into your ears and chewing on your brain.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 04:35 pm
@Lightwizard,
Lightwizard wrote:
Of all the OCD people in the world, there's a higher percentage in the IDiots and Creationuts than in any other cross-section of society. If one refers to them as nitpickers, they'll want to see proof of the ancestry of the nit.

It's funny that on the one hand Creationists will believe the most ridiculous and outlandish fantasies ever handed down from prehistoric times, but on the other hand they become the most fervent scientific skeptics ever to walk the planet.

When it's religion, they're on board 100%, "read it in a book somewhere... good enough for me". But if it's science, let's see the evidence, and no deductive reasoning allowed, only visual first-hand physical recorded evidence for every minute detail is good enough. And even then it can be discarded on the grounds of philosophy.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 05:04 pm
@rosborne979,
All good points, and to add to the mystery, they have divorced themselves from logic and common sense. Many of them are so-called intelligent and well educated people. How can that happen?
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 05:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It could be that they are not as stupid as you are ci. Have you not considered that possibilty?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 05:38 pm
@spendius,
Always.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 06:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Because of this, which, of course, Pope Spendius XXX has rebuked considering he's the published author of several books of philosophy and knows:

If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.
- Bertrand Russell
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 08:43 am
TEXAS UPDATE
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McLeroy nomination in jeopardy
(By Kate Alexander, Austin Statesman, April 22, 2009)

State Board of Education Chairman Don McLeroy, R-Bryan, faced searing questioning during his uncommonly long confirmation hearing Wednesday at the Senate Nominations Committee.

And Chairman Mike Jackson, R-La Porte, said McLeroy’s nomination is on shaky ground because he might not be able to get the required two-thirds vote from the Senate.

Democratic senators Kirk Watson of Austin and Eliot Shapleigh of El Paso challenged McLeroy over his leadership during a number of controversial Board of Education decisions, including the recent adoption of new science curriculum standards that critics say undermine the teaching of evolution.

Shapleigh said he plans to have McLeroy separated from the others when his nomination comes up on the Senate floor so that it could be debated and voted on individually.

“You’ve created a hornet’s nest like I’ve never seen,” Shapleigh said, noting that 15 bills - “the most I’ve ever seen” - have been filed during this legislative session to strip various powers from the State Board of Education.

First elected to the Board of Education in 1998, McLeroy was appointed chairman by Gov. Rick Perry in the summer of 2007. Since that time, he has led the board through some divisive debates over Bible course curriculum, language arts instruction and, just last month, the science standards.

Shapleigh said there is a perception that McLeroy is using the chairmanship of the State Board of Education as a bully pulpit for promoting his religious point-of-view and pushing it into the public arena.

McLeroy, a dentist, does not shy away from sharing that his conservative religious beliefs form the foundation of his commitment to education. But he has not injected those beliefs into the state’s curriculum standards or textbooks, McLeroy told the committee.

“The hornet’s nest is almost unavoidable,” McLeroy said.

There are different educational philosophies at play, he said, and that is the source of the controversy, not his religious views. And the State Board has been spurred debate over those different philosophies.

We want our children to learn, McLeroy said, and “if that means having to stand up to the establishment viewpoint…I don’t mind having a hornet’s nest.”

Watson, however, said that McLeroy has created controversy time and again by not listening to expert advice and replacing it with his own perspective.

“I’m just talking as a dad,” Watson said, adding that he wants his high schooler to learn from materials crafted by experts. “A dad who gets to ask questions in the Senate chamber.”

And a dad who evidently has some experience cross-examining a witness.

The Republicans on the committee largely stayed away from the touchy issues during their questioning.

“I think you’re going to get your wish,” Shapleigh said. “You’re going to get a debate.”

All of the nominations, including McLeroy’s, were left pending Wednesday night since all but the committee chairman, Sen. Mike Jackson, R-La Porte, had left by the end of the meeting.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 09:33 am
@wandeljw,
McElroy's obvious conspiracy theory that scientists are out to destroy souls is like something out of TV's "Supernatural." By coincident MGM HD movie channel screened "Inherit the Wind." In this case, it's the Texas Board of Education inheriting a big windbag. Asked about his desire to challenge evolution in science classes, McLeroy says, "I think what we’re doing is destroying America’s soul in science." No, that would be Amy Winehouse and Adele, both British.

The legislature is considering legislation which would strip the Board of Education of much of its power over textbooks, and that the bill, SB 2275, can't pass soon enough.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 10:45 am
@Lightwizard,
Lightwizard wrote:

McElroy's obvious conspiracy theory that scientists are out to destroy souls is like something out of TV's "Supernatural."


Do you watch "Supernatural," LW? I was going to mention this show on your Fringe thread. Some writers and directors of "Supernatural" episodes had migrated from "X-Files".

My daughter worked as a production assistant for "Supernatural" for its first two seasons. (Since then she has been working as a casting assistant for "Without A Trace".)

Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 12:42 pm
@wandeljw,
I try to watch some episodes of "Supernatural" but the storyline threads from week to week get confused -- although it's all for entertainment, of course. This weeks "Fringe" was thoughtfully mind bending suspense, so kudos to the writers. They tackled evolution last week with a man-made hybrid beast which was great imaginative fun even if not supported by any hard science.

This is precisely why McDumbo is so silly -- his cockeye imagination wouldn't even make a script for any of those shows. Although it would be funny to see one of those shows, probably "Fringe," take a Creationut and send him back in time to the age of dinosaurs where he is eaten.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 02:18 pm
@wandeljw,
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My daughter worked as a production assistant for "Supernatural" for its first two seasons. (Since then she has been working as a casting assistant for "Without A Trace".)


Assistants are usually ladies wande.
 

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