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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 21 Mar, 2009 08:18 am
@wandeljw,
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SOUTHAMPTON councillors have agreed that God should be kept out of the science classroom.


Southampton Football Club, aka The Saints is currently struggling in the relegation zone of the second division of English soccer.

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They backed a motion demanding science and religion should continue to be taught separately.


Which is okay as long as the science teachers are upstanding Christians in order to avoid strife in the staffrooms in a school where religion is taught as it is said there that it is.


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. Lib Dem group leader councillor Jill Baston, who proposed the debate, said she was “hoisting a warning flag”.


No doubt Jill is used to that sort of thing.

[/quote]She said: “It’s important to know about world religions. But science and religion need to be kept separate.” [/quote]

I bet some old soaks rolled their eyes at that.

The Hampshire Chronicle is owned by Newsquest, which is the second largest publisher of regional and local newspapers in the UK. It owns 300 titles.

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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 21 Mar, 2009 11:18 am
@wandeljw,
I wonder if some who think world religions should be taught in science classes are dumb enough to think they aren't in textbooks and lessons for history classes. If one takes Art History I, they're covered -- from Egyptian and other early art through the entire history of art. Religion as an art theme, of course, all but died out with the Impressionist (whose focus was on nature and the human figure) and Modern Art virtually ignores it. If the history is of the Mayans, there is a study of their religion included, if it's of the Chinese, their religion is included. The religions are not the focus of history classes, but if one is taking a class in the history of Rome, their religion of polytheism is covered and that, again, the fact that Constantine didn't convert to Christianity, but allowed it to exist alongside the traditional Roman religion. The difference is dramatic as in history classes all religions are covered and if the teacher is proselytizing for any one religion (not just revealing their own) or advocating not believing in any religion, or to be agnostics or atheistic, they aren't doing their job and should suffer the consequences. That's the crux of not teaching any one religion's version of how the Earth was formed and how all animal life on Earth was formed in a science class. Let those who want to study the Christian religion attend theological schools. A science classroom is no place to inject any one religion and there is an obvious attempt to teach the Christian religion while excluding all others.

There's an excellent essay on what happened to religion in art from the NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/11/arts/art-view-when-nature-became-god-art-changed.html?sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

For those who don't subscribe to the online NYT and don't want to subscribe (at no cost):


ART VIEW; When Nature Became God, Art Changed
By Michael Brenson

In the heart of the sleepy village in ''The Starry Night'' is a Dutch church that van Gogh transposed to the south of France. Its interior is black, its steeple as protective and forbidding as a lance. Although the steeple is a lightning rod for the wave of light flowing across the pre-dawn sky, the church is untouched by the sea of energy and light bolting and spiraling through the cosmic night.

In the left foreground of this 1889 painting are cypresses nestled against each other in euphoric stillness. The large one seems taller than the church. While the church steeple barely rises above the hills, the steeple of this bulbous cypress seems to be climbing right through the sky.

The cypresses are part of the sky. The stars are on fire and the trees are flames. Two stars almost seem to offer themselves to the large tree as wheels or eyes; a third star spins on a smaller tree like a ball on a juggler's finger. In ''The Starry Night,'' it is nature, not the church, that has been touched by God.

Van Gogh's love of nature, his hatred of institutionalized religion and his attempt to substitute the nature he found in the French Midi for the church he grew up with in Holland are discussed in ''Vincent van Gogh: Christianity Versus Nature,'' a book by the art historian Tsukasa Kodera recently published by John Benjamins, a Dutch house. This scholarly essay is helpful for an understanding of van Gogh and of religion of nature that emerged toward the end of the 19th century. Its publication coincides with ''Monet in the 90's: The Series Paintings'' - at the Musuem of Fine Arts in Boston through April 29 - which indexes the bible of nature written by Monet during the last half of his life. And it calls attention to the large issue of the role of nature in modern art, and the degree to which the fate of the natural world has become an esthetic issue.

Van Gogh and Monet turned to nature for protection, guidance and care, and they found in it the freedom to explore within themselves and make paintings that helped shape and define some of the essential conflicts and yearnigns of their time. So much of the sweep of American art and literature depends upon an assumption that the abundance of the American land is inexhaustible. What does it mean for contemporary art that nature itself now needs to be cared for, guided and protected? Van Gogh was far from the only painter for whom nature replaced religion in the 1880's. His skepticism about industrial civilization and his faith in places that were not urban and peole who were not urbane were shared by Guaguin and Cezanne. Indeed, the Post-Impressionism of van Gogh, Gauguin and Cezanne may be the point at which the artistic hope for a balance between industry and nature, progress and conservation, was lost.

--Continued on the link
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 21 Mar, 2009 06:14 pm
@Lightwizard,
Excuse me while I kiss the sun.

The key passage is-

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at the Musuem of Fine Arts in Boston through April 29


Hurry hurry, while stocks last.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 22 Mar, 2009 07:25 am
UK UPDATE
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Creationism banned from schools
(The Argus, Sunday, 22nd March 2009)

Teachers have been banned from promoting creationism in lessons.

The warning was issued by West Sussex County Council, the education authority, on the 150th anniversary of Charles Darwin publishing his groundbreaking work The Origin of Species, which put forward the case for evolution.

Councillor Peter Griffiths, cabinet member for education and schools, was asked at a full meeting fo the council: “What is the policy of the County Council towards teachers in its employment who promote creationism and/or intelligent design rather than Darwin's theory of natural selection?”

Coun Griffiths said: “It is acceptable to answer questions about creationism in science but not promote it.”

Teachers and students could also explore creationist ideas when learning about religious beliefs.

Mr Griffiths was also asked if there was a zero tolerance attitude to teachers who promoted creationism.

Coun Griffiths said it was currently reviewing its policy, but added: “I note that the view of evolution is changing and that it has been reported that the Vatican has accepted that Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with the Christian faith.”
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 22 Mar, 2009 08:18 am
Gobble, gobble --

http://www.hurriyet.com.

March 22, 2009


Turkey evolves
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 22 Mar, 2009 08:47 am
It would seem humanity is in increasing denial. As reactionary forces disrupt so many areas of should-be-civilized life, superstition and fear take the helm. Truths and seekers of truths become targets to get buried in ever descending levels of fundamentalist bullshit.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 22 Mar, 2009 12:22 pm
@edgarblythe,
It's you lot who are in denial Ed. It is you lot who have jumped for the Ignore button as soon as you are asked about a world with no bullshit.

It's just a flag you're waving to get attention. Do you really think we would be better off in a world that is bullshit free?

I'll tell you what serious bullshit is---it is when you prejudge a position in a world in transition. What gives you the right to choose reality over illusion or certainty over doubt if you deny others the right to choose the opposite?

I think if you knew what certainty and reality entail in practice you would run off faster than any Creationist and that's assuming there would be anything left to run off from or anywhere to run to in a paralysed world.

89% of Texans disagree with you and your use of "bullshit" is a claim that there are no legitimate issues they can raise in your company.

That they might raise issues of identity and collective and individual self images which contain norms of styles of perception and valuation has been prejudged by you as pointless whilst at the same time you have nothing to offer in relation to those important matters.

That's real bullshit and not asserted bullshit serving merely to bolster your own self esteem in opposition to your own society which consists, in your own words, of 89% bullshitters.

farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 22 Mar, 2009 03:52 pm
@spendius,
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 22 Mar, 2009 05:31 pm
@farmerman,
Just the sort of lesson plan that anti-IDers will obviously bring to the table when they have taken over the educational system.

When I used the word "parlaysed" I didn't think the proof would be so quick in arriving.

And to think it is impressive. Ye Gods!
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 23 Mar, 2009 06:25 am
@wandeljw,
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Coun Griffiths said: “It is acceptable to answer questions about creationism in science but not promote it.”

Now, having said this, were this in the US, there would be a program that would , in certain school districts,answer questions "preemptively" about Creationism /ID.
The Brits , having invented the form of law we practice, have never kept up with its nuances.

WIZ-I recd a copy of the Atlas of Creation and a letter from HArun Yahyah. (everyone who teaches any natural science, or bio, or geo, in PA recieved one , as did many other states with land grant colleges ). Imagine the costs. The book, is huge, elaborately illustrated , and sneaky about its presentation skills. Its an exercise in rhetoric, not science , SO it is planning for the long haul argument that it appears to conjure.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 23 Mar, 2009 06:41 am
@farmerman,
Before you position your sitting duck a few inches from the end of your scattergun effemm why don't you respond to this--

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What gives you the right to choose reality over illusion or certainty over doubt if you deny others the right to choose the opposite?


It's a misnomer is "anti-IDer". It's "anticreats" from now on.

The WIZ paragraph is just another long winded attempt to remind us all how important you are.

Speaking of "scientific bio" --why did the US authorities burn Wilhelm Reich's books?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 23 Mar, 2009 07:13 am
@spendius,
Reich's books were basically trying to pass on deceptive information regarding medical witchery. "There is no such thing as an "orgone accumulator" and the Us govt did go into a frenzy during the Eisenhower administration (We birned books on communism until Wisenhower had a change of mind at his "Dartmouth presentation" and admonished folks not to"join the book burners"(the US IS Not) "like the Nazi state" "Dont be afraid to enter a library and read every book, and(we) will make sure all the books are still there"

WHY did the UK burn Salmon Rushdies "Satanic Verses" in 1990? Seems like we were waay beyond the "purity of essence " that Eisenhower represented.
MAybe the Brits are just afraid to take a stand on social issues and turn their heads so that they arent implicated by conscience.
Thats what I like about the US, we will scrap it out in public and spend inordinate amounts of capital to slice an issue . You dont
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 23 Mar, 2009 08:23 am
@farmerman,
We all know there's no such thing as an orgone accumulator or a cloud buster for that mater. Those things are not why his books were burned. And the Nazis burned his books and would have killed him if they had caught him.

He was anti religion.

And Rushdie's books have never been burned by anybody official. I have a Satanic Verses hardback bought after the furore. In fact we have paid out for his round the clock protection. Still are doing I think.

You have still not answered the question I have asked you. Not that I don't know why but others might not do amd you owe it to them as a reality educationalist to provide an explanation.

It could look like your truths and realities are not what you make them out to be. That they are tailored.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 23 Mar, 2009 08:36 am
TEXAS UPDATE
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Texas School Board Set to Vote on Challenge to Evolution
(By STEPHANIE SIMON, The Wall Street Journal, March 23, 2009)

The Texas Board of Education will vote this week on a new science curriculum designed to challenge the guiding principle of evolution, a step that could influence what is taught in biology classes across the nation.

The proposed curriculum change would prompt teachers to raise doubts that all life on Earth is descended from common ancestry. Texas is such a huge textbook market that many publishers write to the state's standards, then market those books nationwide.

"This is the most specific assault I've seen against evolution and modern science," said Steven Newton, a project director at the National Center for Science Education, which promotes teaching of evolution.

Texas school board chairman Don McLeroy also sees the curriculum as a landmark -- but a positive one.

Dr. McLeroy believes that God created the earth less than 10,000 years ago. If the new curriculum passes, he says he will insist that high-school biology textbooks point out specific aspects of the fossil record that, in his view, undermine the theory that all life on Earth is descended from primitive scraps of genetic material that first emerged in the primordial muck about 3.9 billion years ago.

He also wants the texts to make the case that individual cells are far too complex to have evolved by chance mutation and natural selection, an argument popular with those who believe an intelligent designer created the universe.

The textbooks will "have to say that there's a problem with evolution -- because there is," said Dr. McLeroy, a dentist. "We need to be honest with the kids."

The vast majority of scientists accept evolution as the best explanation for the diversity of life on earth.

Yes, they say, there are unanswered questions -- transitional fossils yet to be unearthed, biological processes still to be discovered. There is lively scientific debate about some aspects of evolution's winding, four-billion-year path. But when critics talk about exposing students to the "weaknesses" or "insufficiencies" in evolutionary theory, many mainstream scientists cringe.

The fossil record clearly supports evolution, they say, and students shouldn't be exposed to creationist critiques in the name of "critical thinking."

"We will be teaching nonsense in the science classroom," said David Hillis, a biology professor at the University of Texas at Austin.

Polls show many Americans are skeptical of or confused by evolution; in a recent survey by Gallup, 39% said they believe the theory, 25% said they didn't, and 36% had no opinion.

The Discovery Institute, a Seattle think tank that challenges evolution, cites a recent Zogby poll that found a strong majority of Americans supports letting teachers explore both "strengths and weaknesses" of evolution. Otherwise, students see only "cherry-picked evidence that really amounts to propaganda," said John West, a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute.

The Texas school board will vote after taking public testimony in a three-day meeting that starts Wednesday. Dr. McLeroy leads a group of seven social conservatives on the 15-member board. They are opposed by a bipartisan group of seven, often joined by an eighth board member considered a swing vote, that support teaching evolution without caveats.

Neither side is confident of victory. All members of the board have come under enormous pressure in recent months, especially three Republicans who support teaching evolution without references to "weaknesses." The state Republican Party passed a resolution urging the three to back Dr. McLeroy's preferred curriculum. A conservative activist group put out a news release suggesting all three were in the pocket of "militant Darwinists."

One of the three, former social-studies teacher Pat Hardy, said she has received thousands of impassioned calls and emails.

Ms. Hardy says she intends to stand firm for evolution, but she has learned not to predict what her colleagues might do. Curriculum standards critical of evolution won preliminary approval in January, but several board members said later that they hadn't understood the issues.

"Anything can happen," Ms. Hardy said.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 23 Mar, 2009 09:06 am
Harrow School is one of our poshest independent schools. It is for boys.

This is what their website says about biology teaching-

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GCSE: We currently follow the AQA GCSE Biology syllabus. The course is begun at the start of the Shell year and units 3, 2 & 1 are covered over the three years. Practical work constitutes an important element of the course. It is assessed formally through the Practical Skills Assessment (PSA) and Investigative Skills Assignment (ISA). Boys have an opportunity to do an ISA in the Remove and another, if necessary, in the Fifth Form. Core topics such as Breathing, Circulation, Photosynthesis, Enzymes, Homeostasis, Reproduction and The Nervous System remain fundamental elements of the course but there is also a strong emphasis on topical issues to do with medicine, health and the environment.


Evolution doesn't get a mention. And parents are paying a lot of money to send their sons there.

Evolution is a wedge for atheism. There is a mountain of biological science over which there is no dispute and the other sciences are not in the least concerned with evolution despite the fondness anti-creats have for trying to link it to them.

The anti-creats are basically saying that Christians should be banned from science classrooms when they make that false connection.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 23 Mar, 2009 10:05 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

TEXAS UPDATE
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Texas School Board Set to Vote on Challenge to Evolution
(By STEPHANIE SIMON, The Wall Street Journal, March 23, 2009)

The textbooks will "have to say that there's a problem with evolution -- because there is," said Dr. McLeroy, a dentist. "We need to be honest with the kids."


Well, if the esteemed DENTIST says there's a problem when the vast majority of scientists (specialists in evolutionary theory) disagree... then I guess we need to have the general public decide the matter by popular vote. Yeh, that makes sense. Maybe if the Flat-Earth society gets enough people behind them we should vote on that as well. Heck we should probably cover alchemy, bigfoot and the Bermuda Triangle while we're at it.

McLeroy should keep his religion to himself and quit trying to undermine public science education.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 23 Mar, 2009 10:05 am
@wandeljw,
It's absurd enough to make me laugh and that any biology, anthropology, cosmology, astronomy, paleontology, evolution science or any science classroom teacher is proselytizing atheism is only in the serious in the mind of a paranoid schizophrenic. If there is a teacher who is part of this silly conspiracy theory (like we didn't go to the moon), who is an atheist and who is recruiting to the cause (no dictionary uses the word "religion" alone in the definition of proselytizing), they would certainly be reprimanded or worse by the principal or the dean. That sword has to have a double edge. The irrational fear of "creeping atheism" because of anyone learning about real science is something that should have a name, and at any rate, should be treated by a professional. The Catholic church has already adjusted their doctrine to recognized evolution as a science based in fact, and it's easy to figure it out. The bishops don't want to step into the pulpit with lunatic blazoned across their forehead.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 23 Mar, 2009 10:13 am
@Lightwizard,
Lightwizard wrote:
The Catholic church has already adjusted their doctrine to recognized evolution as a science based in fact, and it's easy to figure it out. The bishops don't want to step into the pulpit with lunatic blazoned across their forehead.

They also don't want to fight a battle they ultimately can't win. The realities of nature that science reveals has been eroding church control for centuries, and it's gaining momentum. If they continue to fight this battle they risk losing even the high-ground of spiritual perspective which they can rightly use to avoid conflicts with the physical realities of nature.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 23 Mar, 2009 10:49 am
@rosborne979,
Truer words were never written.

It should be a Twelve Step program for the addictive craving for fundamentalism and the first step to be addressed is denial.

If ID is going to stick, it has to quit with the conspiracy theory with no facts to back it up. It also has to be rational and logical to the facts of how the Earth was formed, how life came to be and stop with their fake illusion which is beneath the dignity of even the worst stage magician.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 23 Mar, 2009 11:05 am
@rosborne979,
rosborne, Very well stated: couldn't be more true for their future.
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