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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 01:24 pm
@wandeljw,
I thought you might have offered a comment on the mores in high legal circles in effemm's home state which I provided a brief glimpse of earlier.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 03:02 pm
I'm not sure that this was posted before but it should now be a complete You Tube rerun of the entire "What Darwin Didn't Know" BBC production which also appeared on PBS NOVA in the US recently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmEx0hm0CXg&feature=PlayList&p=B7857EE2A5AE1FB2&index=0&playnext=1
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 03:08 pm
@Lightwizard,
Lightwizard wrote:

I'm not sure that this was posted before but it should now be a complete You Tube rerun of the entire "What Darwin Didn't Know" BBC production which also appeared on PBS NOVA in the US recently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmEx0hm0CXg&feature=PlayList&p=B7857EE2A5AE1FB2&index=0&playnext=1


Thanks for that. I bokmarked it to look at later.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 03:35 pm
@edgarblythe,
It's also in HD if you click on the bottom right hand button.

I've already ordered it on Blu-Ray BD.

Of course, there is a lot of information available in all media and books that Darwin couldn’t know. Evolutionary theory has advanced dramatically and factually since Darwin’s time, and many of his more specific ideas only speculated have been expanded, clarified and supplanted by more technologically modern science. It is quite inaccurate to use “evolutionary biology” and “Darwinism” interchangeably, even without the fact that anti-evolutionists use the latter term for false rhetorical purposes.

While some still use the obvious and inevitable incompleteness of Darwin’s early ideas to sell books, magazines and obtain donations through sensationalism, evolution scientists and the media have taken a more measured approach in reminding those who are able to comprehend coherent thought that the theory of evolution has come a long way since 1859.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 03:45 pm
@Lightwizard,
And that's in huge contrast to ID which hasn't grown at all. They've only used different words to promote ID, but the basics are still the same.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 04:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That's the flaunting the law of attrition part -- keep hammering away with the same falsehoods and some of the people will believe it. I think with all these isolated attempts to undermine science in the educational system, they will show their hand to too many smart people and they are bluffing.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 06:17 pm
@Lightwizard,
It's you LW who keeps hammering away at the same falsehoods and you're boring with it too.

Nobody is attempting to undermine science. Evolution theory, if it is a science, is a tiny corner of the discipline. It is easy to understand, which explains why you are attracted to it, and anybody who is going on to specialise in biology can pick it up in 10 minutes whilst eating their breakfast and holding a spinning plate on the end of a snooker cue stuck up their nose. What you know about science could be written on the back of a postage stamp with a **** spraying machine. That's obvious from every post you compose.

In actual fact, people such as yourself, who have a personal reason for rejecting our culture's morality, are using evolution theory to undermine the settled religion of the Western world.

I'm here, as I ought to be in a proper debate, to see that your repetitions are not believed simply because they are all you have to say.

You also continue with another falsehood which is that ID is a clone of Creationism. It has nothing to do with Creationism. Atheism and Creationism are in bed together like professional wrestlers. Simply a spectacle. The gestures being the main plot.

Imagine for a moment you are running a movie of the last 500 million years in very slow motion. Explain to us what evolution would look like in such a movie. Go from a slug to Cyd Charisse if you will.

And even if you pull it off, which Cyd was an expert in inspiring in the olde days when it was illegal for knickers to be removed, explain what is the purpose of telling all the kids about it bearing in mind that hardly 0.o1 % of them will ever give it another thought for the rest of their lives in other spheres that biology ivory towers.

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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 11 Mar, 2009 06:31 pm
@Lightwizard,
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Not that I'm not opposed to, along with nearly every scientists, human cloning


What a ridiculous statement. Got the wobbles have we? If we cloned 100 million Dolly Partons we wouldn't have to deal with all these tone deaf, low-earning , flat-chested slags we are currently faced with.

You just blew yourself out of the water LW. I knew you were a good, little Christian underneath that quasi-machismo bluster you affect.

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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 06:13 am
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Every new source from which man has increased his power on the earth has been used to diminish the prospects of his successors. All his progress has been made at the expense of damage to his environment which he cannot repair and could not forsee.


C.D. Darlington, The Evolution of Man and Society. Quoted in Science, 1970, 168, 1332.

From page one of Chapter 1 of B.F.Skinner's Beyond Freedom and Dignity, A Technology of Behaviour.

Odd how the biggest polluters and promoters of "progress" are always sentimentalising about "our kids" and how many lives they are going to "save" isn't it? Talk's cheap.

I think I might read this book again. Professor Skinner does have an M.A and Ph.D from Harvard and the National Science Award. It will be better than these Amandas and Julies that wande quotes I'm sure. Probably a bit more scientific than such hogwash.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 08:06 am
I detected the distinctive stench of a brew soaked troll creeping through these pages overnight and then crawling back under his mossy bridge to take a mud bath in the slimy, dark pit where he also defecates.

Unfortunately, the grunting and groaning was unintelligible to the point that I couldn't even decipher it.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 08:16 am
@Lightwizard,
Quote:
I detected the distinctive stench of a brew soaked troll creeping through these pages overnight and then crawling back under his mossy bridge to take a mud bath in the slimy, dark pit where he also defecates.

Unfortunately, the grunting and groaning was unintelligible to the point that I couldn't even decipher it.


You don't really add anything intelligable to any of these discussions, do you? I mean, yeah, I kew a certain number of toked out worthless hippies in a sort of a former life, long ago, far away etc. etc. Difference is, they all grew out of it. Welcome to my ignore list.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 08:29 am
@gungasnake,
I don't expect anything intelligable (sic) from those who presume to know what kind of person I was in university, before, during or after (I live in the Hollywood Hills in a house by Frank Lloyd Wright, Jr. I knew not one hippie, hung around a preppie crowd from Cal-Tech, USC, UCLA and more artistic types from Chandler Institute and Art Center who were definitely not hippies (the tuition at Chandler and LA Art Center was astronomical). I did go to the annual balls at Chouinards Art School as they were a hoot and without a doubt were dominated with pop smoking hippies. Now the only pot smoking hippies I know are those who became yuppies and live in multi-million dollars homes in Newport Beach, Corona Del Mar and Laguna Beach, CA. Some of them still smoke pot, but could likely buy you and sell you many times over.

Consider yourself duly ignored. The smell of snake dung is also getting really strong in here.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 08:37 am
Quote:

User ignored (view)


Can't beat that with a hammer...
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 08:55 am
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Creationist Students Take Field Trip to Hotbed of Evolution: The Smithsonian
(By Steve Hendrix, The Washington Post, March 11, 2009)

Every winter, David DeWitt takes his biology class to the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History, but for a purpose far different from that of other professors.

DeWitt brings his Advanced Creation Studies class (CRST 390, Origins) up from Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., hoping to strengthen his students' belief in a biblical view of natural history, even in the lion's den of evolution.

His yearly visit to the Smithsonian is part of a wider movement by creationists to confront Darwinism in some of its most redoubtable secular strongholds. As scientists celebrate the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, his doubters are taking themselves on Genesis-based tours of natural history museums, aquariums, geologic sites and even dinosaur parks.

"There's nothing balanced here. It's completely, 100 percent evolution-based," said DeWitt, a professor of biology. "We come every year, because I don't hold anything back from the students."

Creationists, who take their view of natural history straight from the book of Genesis, believe that scientific data can be interpreted to support their idea that God made the first human, Adam, in an essentially modern form 6,000 to 10,000 years ago.

A 2006 poll by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found that 42 percent of Americans believe humans have always existed in their present form. At universities such as Liberty, founded by the late Jerry Falwell, those views inform the entire science curriculum.

Like the Liberty students, avowed creationists across the country are making a practice of challenging the conventional wisdom at zoos (questioning the evolutionary explanation of giraffe necks), the Grand Canyon (dating the rock layers in thousands, not millions, of years), and cave parks (describing the formations as evidence of rapid drainage after the Great Flood).

In the upcoming issue of Answers, a leading magazine of the young-Earth movement, the list of "creation vacations" includes the Lowell Observatory in Arizona, the New England Aquarium in Boston and London's Natural History Museum.

"Why should we be afraid to test our worldview against reality?" asked Bill Jack, a Christian leadership instructor who leads groups across the country for a company called Biblically Correct Tours. "If Christianity is true, it better be true in the natural history museums and in the zoos."

Creationists have been popping up in enough mainstream institutions that one museum has produced a creation-vs.-evolution primer to help volunteer docents handle their sometimes-pointed questions. When the Museum of the Earth in Ithaca, N.Y., published its guide, more than 50 museums called looking for a copy, according to director Warren Allmon.

But creationists say the purpose of their visits to what some describe as "temples to evolution" is to train themselves to think critically, not to pick rhetorical fights with curators or other visitors.

"I'm not standing up and saying to everybody in the room, 'Gather around,' " Jack said. "That would be disruptive. But I'm speaking loudly enough for my people to hear and sometimes others join in."

At the Smithsonian, officials said they were unaware of any organized visits by avowed creationists but said they are welcome. Still, all visitors should come knowing that the museum -- like all mainstream natural history institutions -- is fundamentally Darwinian, said spokesman Randall Kremer.

"Evolution is the unifying principle for all the biology, past and present, in our halls," Kremer said. "That is the foundation of the research we conduct at the museum."

Actually, the field trippers from Liberty University didn't find much to object to at their first stop, the museum's soaring hall of fossils. DeWitt's main complaint was that the 1980s-era introductory film on the beginning of life was woefully outdated (lots of dancing amoebas, no mention of DNA).

"It's embarrassing," said DeWitt, who found himself filling in some of the latest evolutionary thinking for his students. His PhD in neuroscience is from Case Western Reserve University. "As an educator, I want them to see the most up-to-date material."

Otherwise, the 20 students listened attentively as co-leader Marcus Ross, an enthusiastic paleontologist who teaches at Liberty, expertly explained about the world-class fossil collection and told ripping tales of the towering tyrannosaurus rex that was casting skeletal shadows over the group.

"I love it here," said Ross, who has a doctorate in geosciences from the University of Rhode Island. "There's something romantic about seeing the real thing."

Modern creationists don't deny the existence of dinosaurs but believe that God made them, and all animals, on the same sixth day that he created man. In fact, Ross's only real beef in the fossil hall is with the 30-foot lighted column that is a timeline marking 630 million years of geology. As a young-Earth creationist, he asserts that the vast majority of the rocks and fossils were formed during Noah's flood about 4,000 years ago. Most paleontologists date the T-Rex to 65 million years ago.

The group moved on, talking quietly among themselves. At a diorama of a hominid burial site, a Liberty student described how the famous Neanderthal brow ridge is really not that distinct from many found on modern human skulls.

"The really big difference is between human and ape skulls," said David Asfour, 28, a general biology major.

At one point, DeWitt called them together under a Nigerian proverb stenciled on a wall. "The Earth goddess fashions the human body just as the potter fashions her pot," DeWitt read. "So there is some religion here."

But in the hall of mammals, which reopened in 2003 after a $23 million renovation, evolution assumes center stage, and the Liberty students grew a bit more subdued. They openly admired the well-lighted, meticulously designed dioramas. But they lamented that the texts and videos give no credit at all to a higher power for the wondrous animal variety on display.

Near the end of the "Evolution Trail," the class showed no signs of being swayed by the polished, enthusiastic presentation of Darwin's theory. They were surprised, though, by the bronze statue of man's earliest mammalian ancestor.

"A rat?" exclaimed Amanda Runions, a 21-year-old biochemistry major, when she saw the model of a morganucodon, a rodent-like ancient mammal that curators have dubbed Grandma Morgie. "All this hype for a rat? You're expecting, like, at least an ape."

Before heading back to Lynchburg each year, DeWitt makes a point of stopping by the Jefferson Memorial. The quotes on the wall there (his favorite: "Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?") make for a better ending to the trip than the secular shades of the museum, he said.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 08:55 am
OPINION: Texas Public Schools Head McLeroy Mixes Education and Faith

By Texas Freedom Network , A Voice to Counter the Religious Right -
March 10, 2009

The Austin American-Statesman has a long profile of Texas State Board of Education chairman Don McLeroy today. The College Station dentist explains his opposition to evolution and his insistence that students learn there are “weaknesses” to this core scientific concept. On the other side of the debate are prominent scientists, such as David Hillis of the University of Texas at Austin and Kenneth Miller of Brown University.

Dr. McLeroy and his supporters insist that their desire to challenge evolution in biology classrooms is not about promoting religion in public schools. Yet he makes clear in the Statesman piece that his religious beliefs are the source of his objections to evolution

Balance of article:

http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/opinion-texas-public-schools-head-mcleroy-mixes-education-and-faith

NSTA decision (National Science Teachers Associatio)

NSTA Position Statement:
The Teaching of Evolution
Introduction

The National Science Teachers Association (NSTA) strongly supports the position that evolution is a major unifying concept in science and should be included in the K"12 science education frameworks and curricula. Furthermore, if evolution is not taught, students will not achieve the level of scientific literacy they need. This position is consistent with that of the National Academies, the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), and many other scientific and educational organizations.

NSTA also recognizes that evolution has not been emphasized in science curricula in a manner commensurate to its importance because of official policies, intimidation of science teachers, the general public's misunderstanding of evolutionary theory, and a century of controversy. In addition, teachers are being pressured to introduce creationism, “creation science,” and other nonscientific views, which are intended to weaken or eliminate the teaching of evolution.
Declarations

Within this context, NSTA recommends that

* Science curricula, state science standards, and teachers should emphasize evolution in a manner commensurate with its importance as a unifying concept in science and its overall explanatory power.
* Science teachers should not advocate any religious interpretations of nature and should be nonjudgmental about the personal beliefs of students.
* Policy makers and administrators should not mandate policies requiring the teaching of “creation science” or related concepts, such as so-called “intelligent design,” “abrupt appearance,” and “arguments against evolution.” Administrators also should support teachers against pressure to promote nonscientific views or to diminish or eliminate the study of evolution.
* Administrators and school boards should provide support to teachers as they review, adopt, and implement curricula that emphasize evolution. This should include professional development to assist teachers in teaching evolution in a comprehensive and professional manner.
* Parental and community involvement in establishing the goals of science education and the curriculum development process should be encouraged and nurtured in our democratic society. However, the professional responsibility of science teachers and curriculum specialists to provide students with quality science education should not be compromised by censorship, pseudoscience, inconsistencies, faulty scholarship, or unconstitutional mandates.
* Science textbooks shall emphasize evolution as a unifying concept. Publishers should not be required or volunteer to include disclaimers in textbooks that distort or misrepresent the methodology of science and the current body of knowledge concerning the nature and study of evolution.

"Adopted by the NSTA Board of Directors
July 2003



Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin wants creationism taught in science classes.

In a 2006 gubernatorial debate, the soon-to-be governor of Alaska said of evolution and creation education, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of education. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

(Read about Palin's views on ANWAR and polar bears on our sister blog, Threat Level.)

Asked by the Anchorage Daily News whether she believed in evolution, Palin declined to answer, but said that "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class."

"I'm not going to pretend I know how all this came to be," she said.

The battle between evolution and creationism -- specifically, Christian creationism -- in U.S. classrooms dates back to the 1925 Scopes trial, when a Tennessee court banned the teaching of evolution. Since then, state and federal courts have repeatedly rejected so-called creation science in public schools, calling it religion rather than science.

The latest courtroom defeat came in the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover case, when the superficially religion-neutral theory of intelligent design was classified as religious creationism. The Supreme Court ruled in 1987 that teaching creationism violated the separation of church and state.

Nevertheless, pro-creationism education initiatives driven by Christian conservatives have flourished, and defenders of evolution -- and, more broadly, scientific integrity -- worry that Palin's pick will give momentum to this church-over-state push.

"It's unfortunate McCain would pick someone who shares those particular anti-science views, but it's not a surprise," said Barbara Forrest, a Southeastern Lousiana University philosophy professor and prominent critic of creationist science. "She's a choice that pleases the religious right. And the religious right has been the chief force against teaching evolution."

In February, Florida's Board of Education narrowly defeated a bill calling for evolution to be balanced by "alternatives." The language is widely regarded as a euphemism for creationism engineered by the pro-intelligent design Discovery Institute, whose "wedge strategy" calls for the gradual dilution of classroom evolution and its eventual replacement by "a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions."

Armed with courtroom-friendly language, Texas is currently considering creationism-friendly revisions to its own curriculum. In June, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal passed the Louisiana Science Education Act, encouraging schools to provide alternative critiques of global warming, human cloning and evolution. Similar initiatives were defeated in South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Missouri and Michigan.

Palin's statements track with the official Alaska Republican Party platform, which support creation science and intelligent design by name, and says that "evidence disputing the theory should also be presented."

According to Fordham Institute science education expert Lawrence Lerner, Palin's nomination is less worrisome in terms of education than the broad relationship of science and government.

"In the direct sense, vice presidents don't have much to do with what goes on in classrooms. But a person who's a creationist doesn't understand science and technology at all," said Lerner. "It doesn't bode well for science, and doesn't bode well for interaction between science and government."

President Bush has been publicly skeptical of evolution, while Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama has professed support. "I think it's a mistake to try to cloud the teachings of science with theories that frankly don't hold up to scientific inquiry," he said in April.

John McCain's campaign did not respond in time for publication.

When asked about Palin potentially being a step removed from the White House, Forrest responded, "We'd have a creationist as President. But that's not new -- we've already got one."


Note: Sarah Palin lost the election and her mantra of no sex outside of marriage has just got increasingly difficult to hold down the hypocrisy.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jkJTWO6O5r_iPRbQOn6rw4rP0eCA
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2009 11:05 am
@wandeljw,
That's really not so amazing -- but I hope it's not encouragement to think of Jerry Falwell as a role model. They'll all have Rush Limbaugh's body by Christmas. Better keep them away from the Fossil Cafe -- they might be serving some of that soft tissue from T Rex.

http://www.gosmithsonian.com/museums/national-museum-of-natural-history/nmnh-about.html
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2009 09:04 am
IOWA UPDATE
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Support teachers: Defeat evolution bill
(Timothy Olson, M.D., Des Moines Register Opinion, March 12, 2009)

As a physician and the parent of a biology student, I must express concern about House File 183, the Evolution Academic Freedom Act, which provides protections for teachers who teach the full range of views about evolution. I prefer that my son learn the mainstream view.

The bill is sponsored by Rod Roberts, R-Carroll, an ordained minister. The thrust for this bill, and similar bills, comes from nonscientists who seek to have their views on this issue given the same weight as scientists'. We would not accept their input on relativity or quantum mechanics or thermodynamics. Then why evolution?

The full range of evolution views (let's be honest here) comes not from scientific controversy, but from a literal reading of the Old Testament. Galileo showed us that the Old Testament is not about astronomy. Nor is it about biology.

Those who truly support teachers should stand with the Iowa State Education Association in opposing this misguided and backward legislation.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2009 10:35 am
@wandeljw,
As a physician and the parent of a biology student, I must express my sense of dignity and self worth. House File 183 looks a good enough opportunity so blah blah.

The only trouble is that dignity and self worth vanishes like a puff of smoke under the severe exigencies of evolution science.

Quote:
We would not accept their input on relativity or quantum mechanics or thermodynamics. Then why evolution?


That's been explained time and time again wande. Relativity or quantum mechanics or thermodynamics don't involve grubby sex. They still rubbish dignity and self worth though. His mentioning that silly comparison is proof he doesn't know what he's talking about. He probably doesn't know what any of the terms mean. He's using them to flag up his superiority. Physicians have you by the balls and so you look up to them and it goes to their heads I'm afraid. They are only chaps after all. I've buried three.

I wonder if the good doctor was thinking of his son learning the mainstream view (sic) during those brief moments the seed was planted.

wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2009 10:50 am
@spendius,
Spendi,
Is this a fair summary of your position on why science class should not cover evolution?
spendius wrote:
Relativity or quantum mechanics or thermodynamics don't involve grubby sex.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 13 Mar, 2009 11:07 am
@wandeljw,
If the dipsomaniac didn't equate sex with pumping a dirty, tooth-less old whore in an alley behind the local, he might not think of sex as grubby.
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