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@rosborne979,

well, it may just be another two million in court costs and some sham shows by the Creation SCience Institute.

There are 90 or so Fed district courts in 10 diistricts yes? So maybe we will have to do this one district at a time. I see the potential for a tv reality show here.
"Let There Be SOme Light , PLease"

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@farmerman,

What's really more concerning about all of this are the incidents that we DON'T hear about. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a large portion of the high school science classes are including Christian (and I bet it's not just any religion, it's probably exclusively Christian) mythology as part of the discussion of evolution in biology.

Most schools and most science teachers probably just "let it ride" and hope nobody kicks up the dust anywhere. The non-religious science teachers probably want to protect their jobs, and the religious teachers are probably happy to squeeze in a bit of their preferred mythology (for the good of the kids of course).

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@rosborne979,

you are right. Many school districts are organized into faculty departments with chairpeople and vice-chairs. These guys set the standards for the teachesr and can make life easy or difficult based upon whats on the plate.

The local HS near Quarryville had , for years , included a segment on Creationist thinking AS SCIENCE. This went quietly on until some students who were AP science students moved into the area and freaked at what ws being taught them. They cpmplained, the PTO and schoolboard met, they tried cajollary onto the new kids parents and, after that didnt carry any weight, the school began to change the curriculum until today, the biology program is as good as anywhere in the "SCience MAgnet Schools"

This **** will go on for the foreseeable future . I mean, here we are in the heart of the Fed district in which Dover was tried and we still have these quiet pockets of creeping Creationism and ID.

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@farmerman,

Well-- the quiet pockets of creeping Creationism and ID have warmed our hands on an improving scale for many centuries, notwithstanding a few ups-and-downs, and here we are.

Will creeping scientism keep up the good work? I hope we are not to be asked to rely on your word for it.

Quarryville eh? I daresay I could find you fm shortly after arriving there if ever I was daft enough to try.

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@spendius,

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Will creeping scientism keep up the good work?

Have you ever taken advantage of medical care that was improved based on "scientism?" Does your doctor still use the medical practices of a thousand years ago?

Or, are you a hypocrite?

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@farmerman,

I do admire your knowledge in the fields of evolutionary biology, paleontology and the other fields of science that you share with us here but I am sad that you speak in absolutes about other things that may not be true.
You have a good understanding of these fields of science that you speak of and for a very good reason. I would think that this reason is because you have a passion for these fields of science and that you also have studied them and have seen the evidence for and against these subjects and have made logical conclusions accordingly.

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DAvid Duke "earned" a PhD in 2005 from a really great institution. The Interregional Academy of PErsonnel Management (an accredited institution of higher learning in the UKRAINE).

You do seem to be speaking of a fact in the above statement.

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The Academy , appears as real as the Discovery Institutres ability to confer degrees in "evolution".

What academic course do you find The Interregional Academy of Personnel Management teaching incorrectly? Is it one or all of these?

- Management and Business
- Personnel Management and Labour Economics
- Accounting and Auditing
- Credit and Finance
- Law
- Sociology
- Political Science - International Relations
- Psychology
- Social Work
- Philology
- Tourism
- Country Studies
- Applied Mathematics
- Software Engineering

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The Academy has been singled out as one of the most racist and anti semitic publishing house second to Iran.

This does seem to be true.

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Dave Dukes Dissertation was on a subject that needs a lot of research.

Do you really think so?

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He apparently did a large work denying the Holocaust

Is it a fact that he is a Holocaust denier? Has he ever said that he was?

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Can you imagine a place like the University of Wisconsin offering to assemble a doctoral committee to review a dissertation that denies the forensic evidence of the Holocaust?

I could imagine it but I do realize it has not happened. Has it happened anywhere on earth?

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Sometimes you really need to question the motives and veracity of a potential source before you even waste time on asking quetions about "what does anyone think about?" your topic.

I agree with you 100%

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Youve lost a lot of credibility in several minds here.

I can understand that. When people believe a certain way it is very difficult to get them to be open minded about such beliefs.

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Im wondering now whether all of your previous posts that many of us took time to answer were just pieces of tripe and that maybe your entire motivation is somehow more under the table racism than anything else.

I wish that I could be seen as an ethicist but I do realize that it is not a reality in everyone's eyes. I do not hate any group of people but I do hate the immoral acts that people do at times.

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Your collection of stupid racist propaganda that you have at your fingertips and periodically post, reveals a lot about you. Do you realize that or dont you care.?

My ethical and empathic radius extends very far so yes I do care what people think about me. Being emotionally intelligent is important to me but I am not able to get everyone to be open minded nor will I always be able to please everyone.

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@cicerone imposter,

The vast amounts of money spent on medical well-being are due to Christian compassion which is not scientifically derived. And the money has derived from the Christian economic project and specifically upon that terrible heresy of Calvin's that if it feels right it is right.

It may also be partly because we are a fitter workforce, or warrior class, if we are kept well maintained.

You must remember ci. that all these ills we have these days they didn't have a 1,000 years ago.

We have allowed creeping scientism as a useful tool and I know I speak for most when I say that we are glad of it and proud of its achievements.

It's a terrible temptation is creeping scientism. Creeping Creationism and ID are not telling us what we want to hear. Although it's not a hair shirt now of course.

So simply on Norman Mailer's well known principle, that if somebody is offering to do you a good turn you should run, we ought to a least have reservations about offers, however well disguised, to remove Christian morality off our backs.

The laugh is that it has been. You can disobey most of the Ten Cs. and commit all the Seven Deadly Sins with complete impunity. I can't understand why you're on here when you could be out getting on with it.

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@spendius,

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It may also be partly because we are a fitter workforce, or {warrior class},

The crusades can verify that.

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You must remember ci. that all these ills we have these days they didn't have a 1,000 years ago.

They didn't?

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The laugh is that it has been. You can disobey most of the Ten Cs. and commit all the Seven Deadly Sins with complete impunity. I can't understand why you're on here when you could be out getting on with it.

Interesting ideology you have there Spendius. 2 Cents

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@reasoning logic,

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I do admire your knowledge in the fields of evolutionary biology, paleontology and the other fields of science that you share with us here but I am sad that you speak in absolutes about other things that may not be true.
You have a good understanding of these fields of science that you speak of and for a very good reason. I would think that this reason is because you have a passion for these fields of science and that you also have studied them and have seen the evidence for and against these subjects and have made logical conclusions accordingly.

Perhaps it is different in the USA rl but where I come from that would be seen as genteel piss-taking.

But fm is a bit inconsistent. The other night he didn't give a ****.

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@reasoning logic,

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I am sad that you speak in absolutes about other things that may not be true

OK, in the space below, summarize DAve Dukes good points and why I should even give him the time of day.

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@spendius,

You're now claiming that christians don't use medical science on their patients? ROFL

The human aspects of hospital care is ancient; some thousands of years old.

Xrays, MRI's, radiation treatment are all from "science" research.

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@spendius,

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Well-- the quiet pockets of creeping Creationism and ID have warmed our hands on an improving scale for many centuries, notwithstanding a few ups-and-downs, and here we are.

Nothing warms the hands quite like a good burning at the stake but quiet it isn't.

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@farmerman,

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OK, in the space below, summarize DAve Dukes good points and why I should even give him the time of day.

You should not trust me nor anyone but rather find out for yourself unbiasedly Dave's view of what reality is to him if you truly have an interest in knowing the truth about him.

I can tell you up front that I do not share all of the same values he does and I really do not know allot about him. He does say that the kkk days are behind him but I do find it sad that he ever went there but it is amazing the bullshit ideologies a person can pick up from their environment.

I do at times bring up some bazaar topics hoping that someone may have researched the topics non-biased and respond as they wish.

You can learn many things from crazy people at times. It wasn't long ago that a black person that hates all white people shared what I would consider very intellectual information that was the work of a white professor but sadly it was only because it helped to support the black person's hate white people ideology. Rolling Eyes

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@reasoning logic,

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You can learn many things from crazy people at times.

I don't doubt that you can, because at the moment you seem to have great difficulty in distinguishing between **** and shinola.

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@parados,

Burning at the stake was considered quite humane in those days.

It's noisy now when the toast gets burned.

I'm sorry that your worn out record is the only one you have to play. Does it not get a bit repetitive?

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@izzythepush,

I see that you have already had a few tonight but I don't blame you its Friday night here what time is it there? Drunk

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@reasoning logic,

00.o8 hundred hours

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@spendius,

You guys must be feeling real good by now. I know I would be if I still drank.

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@reasoning logic,

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You should not trust me nor anyone but rather find out for yourself unbiasedly Dave's view of what reality is to him if you truly have an interest in knowing the truth about him.

Now youre sounding like spendi. When someone gets too close to upending your applecart, you change the subject

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I do not share all of the same values he does and I really do not know allot about him

Are you as confused in real life as you sound here? How do you know then that you do not share his values? (maybe from what youve read about him recently? You certainly embody a skeptic, you dont even trust yourself.

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@farmerman,

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Now youre sounding like spendi. When someone gets too close to upending your applecart, you change the subject

I really do think that there is allot of propaganda out there and you should not trust all that you hear but rather research for yourself. do you find something wrong with that philosophy?

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Are you as confused in real life as you sound here?

I probably am at times.

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How do you know then that you do not share his values

I did not say that I do not share some of his values but rather I said I do not share all of his values. The reason I know this is because I heard him say something like all different cultures should not be mixed together or something like that. I myself would like to see all of us become as one so that there is no culture division but that does not seem as a reality any time soon and may never be.

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You certainly embody a skeptic, you dont even trust yourself

You are somewhat correct.

I see things very close to this.

I would have thought that you have seen this and if not I do think you have missed a good video.

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