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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 02:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
He was really pissed at himself for not even recording which islands the little fuckers came from. Imagine anyone in field work doing that today. Theyd have to give up their Glen plaid sport coat with the patches at the elbows.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 02:23 pm
@izzythepush,
Darwin was really a schmuck when it came to detail. He ultimately became a "Learned analytical" . I always felt that he sported some latent ADD symptomology.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 02:34 pm
@farmerman,
Did Darwin know that the food source at each island for the (12 to 15 Darwin) finches were different - and that caused their beaks to evolve?
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jul, 2011 02:45 pm
@cicerone imposter,
he had not a clue.
Thats why he was sure that these birds he shipped back to Gould were all of different genera.

Systematics and field work was more like stamp collecting to these guys. They never thought too much of different environments imparting structural changes.

Theres a team from Princeton (rah) , that has been studying real time evolutionary changes in several finch species on various islands hat have different climates and substrates. Id sat in on several of thweir seminars and , I gotta admit that it was pretty boring stuff, the lessons in cladistics was important
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2011 05:01 am
@izzythepush,
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IDers are already convinced that they're right, and have always looked to science to prove that they're right. So they only look for things that prove they're right.


Which IDers? And which "things" did some IDers look for to prove they are right? And what was it they were right about?

Once you ignore those questions you end up in a circularity. Scientifically you prove nothing despite how comforting it is. When you can't even tolerate being asked them you are back in your play pen no matter how brilliantine your words are.

Finches' beaks and marching penguins have nothing to do with it. They are just anti-IDers' tricks to prove they are right. Like the cloth a conjuror at a kid's party uses to distract the little innocent eyes from what he's doing with his other hand.
High Seas
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2011 05:52 am
@raprap,
raprap wrote:
....The mechanical properties of diamonds are amazing (mohs scale hardness 10). They would valuable for that utilitarian property alone.

http://www.thisoldearth.net/Images/mohshardnessscale.gif

Thank you - worth noting the Mohs scale is relative, with #10 (diamond) about 5 times harder than #9 (ruby), which is only twice as hard as #8 (topaz). Btw, don't be too hard on our friend Spendius - I think he was making some allusion to the biblical passage "the price of a good woman is above rubies" Smile

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2011 08:08 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Which IDers? And which "things" did some IDers look for to prove they are right? And what was it they were right about?

Finches' beaks and marching penguins have nothing to do with it. They are just anti-IDers' tricks to prove they are right. Like the cloth a conjuror at a kid's party uses to distract the little innocent eyes from what he's doing with his other hand.


1) Religious nutjobs
2) Things like the monogamous relationships of penguins.
3) ID

IDers used The March Of The Penguins, not people capable of rational thought.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2011 08:23 am
@izzythepush,
The funny thing is, when I see these randomly posted clips from spendis fevered mind, youve gotta be amazed at his sustainability . His entire scientific vocabulary is based upon just 1 thing and he milks the **** out of it.

Had he availed himself of technical training in greater depth and breadth, think of what a complete pain in the ass he could have been.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2011 08:24 am
@farmerman,
His posts wouldn't be anyway near so much fun though.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2011 08:25 am
@izzythepush,
I dont know, he would be an IDiot at a much higher level of knowledge.
High Seas
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jul, 2011 08:58 am
@farmerman,
Technical knowledge isn't going to improve a faulty epistemological foundation; that's what this suggestion about nature playing magic tricks with finches and penguins amounts to - that nature actively attempts to mislead the observer by changing its laws. Not even the multiverse crowd believes that Smile
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 07:06 am
There's a Syriac novel, according to Walter Bauer, translated and edited by Robert A. Kraft of the University of Pennsylvania, about Julian the Apostate in which Satan explains--

Quote:
From the beginning of the world, there was no nation or kingdom that did not honor me. Only this Constantine renaged.


That's what the argument is all about. It concerns nothing else. Satan being merely a personification of carnal desires in licentious mode. The antidote being Christianity and the result of the application of it is your lifestyles.

I refer to Bauer's Orthodoxy and Heresy in Earliest Christianity although I am aware that it is way out of fm's reach. He is completely reliant upon his own circular assertions which have an effect upon me similar to that of a gnat taking a piss in a forest in New Guinea.

What is so amazing is that he has not yet worked that out or obviously believes, yes believes, that they have an effect on others. Which is a bit insulting I should have thought.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 07:08 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

That's what the argument is all about. It concerns nothing else. Satan being merely a personification of carnal desires in licentious mode. The antidote being Christianity and the result of the application of it is your lifestyles.



The Borgias?

spendius
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 07:13 am
@High Seas,
HS my love--will you explain my "faulty epistemological foundation". Declaring it is of no use. You have caught fm's disease.

Only when you have explained my failings is it possible for me to respond because no matter what I say can always be declared to be faulty epistemologically if no other evidence is offered other than such a childish idiocy.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 07:19 am
@izzythepush,
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The Borgias?


Phlogiston. Piltdown Man.

Did you see that headline about 15 labs in the UK experimenting with animal/human fertility?
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 07:23 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Piltdown Man.




Are you stalking me? I used to play cricket for The Piltdown Men, so I am, by definition, a Piltdown Man. I was just asking if you were going to be watching the forthcoming drama series starring Jez Irons.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 07:23 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

[Did you see that headline about 15 labs in the UK experimenting with animal/human fertility?


No, but I don't think it's a bad thing.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 07:29 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I was just asking if you were going to be watching the forthcoming drama series starring Jez Irons.


Nah.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 07:36 am
@spendius,
Why not? It looks really good. Does it clash with something on Red Hot Dutch?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jul, 2011 07:36 am
@izzythepush,
spendius wrote:


[Did you see that headline about 15 labs in the UK experimenting with animal/human fertility?




Quote:
No, but I don't think it's a bad thing.



http://news.discovery.com/videos/earth-are-humanzees-possible.html
 

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