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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:19 am
@reasoning logic,
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This research is the systematic process of collecting and analyzing information (data) in order to increase our understanding of the phenomenon about which we are concerned or interested and communicating what we discovered to the larger scientific community.


Yeah--but you are unlikely to find anybody to teach it at a college near you. Apart from the library that is. The Name of the Rose is a brilliant extended metaphor of the labyrinth the "Library" actual is to those who take the trouble to explore it properly within the limits of their time. Juicy bits added to make it film worthy. Natch.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:20 am
@Ionus,
I'm positive.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 07:22 am
@spendius,
About what?
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:03 am
@reasoning logic,
That you're a gopher rl with a lot of lessons to learn. It means you show promise and are getting a bit over-excited. Never be a teacher giving lessons. Always be a learner learning them.

I realise that that is contradictory (excuse me Io) but there is no other way of saying it. I'm not actually teaching you to always be a learner learning lessons. I'm suggesting it. Like pub chat. In case you hadn't thought about it before.

One of the problems with Momsing babies is that they learn to be a teacher very early in life and cannot thereafter eradicate it as Freud said. So they end up not knowing any more than what they choose to learn when they are gasping their last. And that tantrums pay off.

They are wasting their ******* time having tantrums with me. I've seen senior NCOs having tantrums on my behalf with their nose an inch from mine letting everybody know within half a mile what a thorough going and useless asshole I was.

It kills me when ci. thinks he's insulted me.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:13 am
@spendius,
I should add rl that there is an important difference between a senior NCO ranting and fm going off on one. The former's motive was to increase my chances of survival but fm's is to puff up his vanity a smidgin further.

So you might imagine my general attitude to fm's rants. I bet he felt a few inches taller after that one the other day in which he announced his intention of once again putting me on Ignore and a resolution to resist the temptation to have a secret peek.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:26 am
@spendius,
We are all learners, learning but it does seem that some people have concreted what they think they know, " in absolutes" which in result limits their ability to advance their understanding of reality!
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 08:27 am
@spendius,
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he announced his intention of once again putting me on Ignore
Does he ever loudly announce his intention to take you off ignore or is it all about putting you on ignore, with a crash of drums and flashing lights to signal his triumphant departure from losing the argument ?

It just seems it takes an awful lot of ignore to not read your posts, and fm no doubt has great trouble maintaining his indignity .
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 09:07 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

[The kids might not want to know because of the method of teaching. The statement seems to be blaming Shakespeare and the kids and absolving the teacher. A teacher familiar with Ted Hughes' Shakespeare and the Goddess of Complete Being should be able to interest any 15 to 90 year olds. Or even Frank Harris' The Man Shakespeare.

Similar considerations might well apply to teaching evolution.

Of course, some kids are not interested in anything except the bell going and getting out of the prison adults have stuck them in for their own convenience.


A bunch of 15 year olds may not find the above particularly useful when sitting GCSE English. There is a thing called the National Curriculum, and teachers have to stick to that. I've always found that those who are most critical of teachers are the ones who've never done it themselves. Jamie Oliver ended up proving the exact opposite of what he hoped to achieve during his brief sojourn into the world of education.

I don't need to prove anything to you about my abilities. suffice it to say I was always given the toughest, most disaffected students because I was able to get them to sit down and shut up. I don't know if they ever learnt anything, but at least they acted as if they were learning.

Have you seen Jack Lemmon's portayal of Frank Harris by the way?
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 12:26 pm
@izzythepush,
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Have you seen Jack Lemmon's portayal of Frank Harris by the way?


No I haven't. I think Jack Nicholson might have been a better choice. Frank's career as a cowboy was quite short if indeed he had one at all. One needs to take his stories with a very large pinch of salt. Not a lot can be done with Harris in 92 minutes. That's like "doing" the Mona Lisa at 4 mph whilst eating a hamburger.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 12:40 pm
@spendius,
They don't let you take hamburgers into the Louvre. French Bastards!
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 30 May, 2011 12:44 pm
@izzythepush,
It was a tiny fraction of 'My Life and Loves,' about 2 chapters from what I remember.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jun, 2011 09:15 am
@izzythepush,
It appears that the ID crowd is seeking credibility by peddling what appears to be scholarly double talk. They have these free "teaching aids" for sciemce teachers "with open minds" .http://www.integrativestudies.com/pdf/Course_101ab.pdf
Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2011 01:05 am
@farmerman,
Is that open like the breeze blows in one side and out the other ? I don't see why the Christian fundamentalists want to join the Muslim fundamentalists in the Medieval Age . Maybe the Crusades were good business for religion back then .
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2011 06:11 am
@farmerman,
That link stalled my computer.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2011 06:14 am
@spendius,
You probably need to re-light the pilot.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2011 07:05 am
@izzythepush,
I need a cockpit for that.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2011 10:25 am
@farmerman,
Holy ****! Almost 300 pages of nothings that attempts to apply numbers in different patterns to arrive at creation.

What conclusions have they arrived at with your manipulation of Arabic numbers?

Total waste of intellectual effort and time.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 2 Jun, 2011 01:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
There goes the ideal open mind. Meestah Noeetol.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2011 10:34 am
@spendius,
Are you calling your nurse for your medication? I don't know what that is but it sounds pretty powerful.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2011 10:48 am
@izzythepush,
spendi's medication is his daily trek to the local pub where he orders "another pint."
 

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