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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 02:04 pm
@farmerman,
I've never heard of him or his show or the other show if there was one. What on earth are you on about. You sound like a couple of shop girls talking about a soap. Opera I mean. It only seems upmarket to you two because you're both misogynists. That Male soaps are better than female soaps is taken for granted. Which is riduluous. What on earth is there to learn about men? Rider Haggard summed us lot up.

If ever there was a subject for its own thread, where Stewart/Colbert dedicatees could gather to gossip, this is it. It's perfect.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 02:34 pm
@spendius,
You're quite right, viewers of John Stewart and Stephen Colbert are quite well known for their mysogeny. I blame in on all these single parents, just trying to be trendy. Anyway I must congratulate you for getting my dress sense right when you said

When I caught them izzy, you were in short pants

With those and my vanity sneakers I strut around town frowning and leering at any women that dare approach me.

Incidently, when I'm in my short pants I often do catch them, usually on the mantlepiece.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 04:58 pm
@farmerman,
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Is this THE REAL APOCALYPSE?
You think you have "a pox on your lips" ?? Shocked
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 05:27 pm
@Ionus,
That blather you responded to Io was an excuse to put the car on here. fm's a Jeremy Clarkson fan. I'm surprised that your literary instinct led you to suggest me having Clarkie's picture on my wall rather than fm.

fm loves tuning into coastal radar for some female voice to instruct him which way to hold the tiller.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 05:32 pm
@spendius,
Incidently don't confuse mysogeny with mysanthropy.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 05:47 pm
@spendius,
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fm loves tuning into coastal radar for some female voice to instruct him which way to hold the tiller.


Sloshing about in the suds barrel again are we?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 12:31 am
@izzythepush,
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Incidently don't confuse mysogeny with mysanthropy.
Whats with the my this and my that....are you basically self centred or what ?
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 12:34 am
@spendius,
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I'm surprised that your literary instinct led you to suggest me having Clarkie's picture on my wall rather than fm.
I did ?? Then let that be a lesson to you....

Of course you would have a picture of Clarkie's picture on your wall...doesnt everyone ? Why would you have a picture of fm on your wall ? On second thoughts, dont tell me .
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 01:33 am
@Ionus,
Sorry I was forgetting you had a problem with big words.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 09:16 am
@izzythepush,
With your obviously superior mental faculties you will remember me yesterday saying--

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They were jumping with glee all over the fundies. Some lady with a nice username was providing them with a big wide target at close range to sling their cliches at.


They are still at it as you will see if you check through the "Don't tell me there's no proof of evolution" thread. My posts unanswered and long posts instead which this new fundie has provided them with an opportunity to re-cycle. Again.

See what fm has to say about my demonstration that his assertions about the "real world" were as circular as a McVitie's Milk Choc Hobnob, part of one of which I am masticating as I write. If you imagine a pile of them up to the moon it will give you some idea of how much meaning there is in fm's posts, harangues and declamations. If one defines the "real world" or "science" in order to produce a certain effect on oneself it will inevitably produce that effect. When it doesn't have the same effect upon others it often causes intolerance, bombast and, before long, fanaticism. It cannot tolerate dissent because pride is at stake and that is why pride is Top of the Sins and has, unlike more understandable vices, no limit to its range.

The evolutionist, it seems to me, has to accept pride as being as natural as sloth, or gluttony, or lust. As carnal. Some kind of frontal lobe clitoris. The Behaviorist would I'm sure. A Materialist has no alternative.

Thus, by a slightly convoluted thought ride, one might hypothesise that the nation with the largest jails were the nations with the most pride. One does get fed up with bed, too fat for gluttony, too exhausted for lust and too drunk to care in fairly short order, even anger wearies, but pride has no "govenor", in the sense of a device for maintaining uniform velocity.

English national pride, despite it being steamed up now and again with a football match, an excuse for a piss-up actually, has so settled an existence in the landscape of the homeland that it has had time to discover what a silly twat it is. See Benny Hill, Charlie Drake, Fred Emney, Bruce Forsythe, Arthur Askey, Norman Wisdom and many others including the best of all Stan Laurel. The difference between English comedy and American "comedy" is wider than the widest ocean.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 09:22 am
@spendius,
I still maintain that our greatest comedian was Peter Cook.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 09:57 am
@izzythepush,
Nah--Grauniad/Independent tripe. Oxbridge. Silver spoons. Sheltered upbringings.

Tommy Cooper eh? And Ken Dodd. Ken put the po-faced Presbyterians to the tickling stick. And he worked his routine scientifically. No laughter in cans. Johnny Ray was pretty funny--I'll admit that. Henry Miller too.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 10:56 am
@spendius,
Henry Miller? I never knew he was a British Comedian, I thought he was the American writer of Tropic of Cancer and Opus Pistorum. There's not a lot of laughs in Opus Pistorum, there's a lot of something, but it's not laughter.

By the way I'm gratified that you didn't let knowing absolutely nothing about Stephen Colbert and John Stewart, get in the way of you talking with complete authority about the sort of people who watch their programme.

Don't you think it's a bit mean to tease Americans with your hobnobs. They can't get them over there. They think oreos taste nice!
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:20 pm
@izzythepush,
I though Opus Pistorum highly amusing. It's a very moral tale actually. Perhaps you don't do irony izzy.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 08:00 am
@spendius,
That's right I don't do irony, you must have seen that all my posts are to be taken literally. The only true fans of Tommy Cooper are those who either bought, or received the 'Just Like That,' indoor golf game, with velcro balls and a cloth target. I believe you may have velcro balls but you need the whole ensemble.

I never thought Opus Pistorum was the French equivalent of Last Exit To Brooklyn, but if you say it was then so be it. Then again I have a sneaking suspician that when you say irony, you mean getting pissed up down the pub and then posting a load of drunken bollocks on line. You wouldn't be the first to use that definition.

Your list of comics

Benny Hill, Charlie Drake, Fred Emney, Bruce Forsythe, Arthur Askey, Norman Wisdom

sounds like the sort of stuff my dad likes. Comedy did not stop in the 1960s. Also there seems to be a real class consciousness thing here. They're all pretty much working class heroes, is this something psychological? To be quite honest with the exception of Fred Emney, Tommy Cooper and Stan Laurel I don't find any of them that funny. I'd put The Comic Strip's Mr. Jolly Lives Next Door up against any of them. Peter Cook plays Mr. Jolly and has one of the best lines.

Gangster(Threatening) You don't look very jolly.
Mr. Jolly Just because my name happens to be Jolly, doesn't mean I have to go round being jolly all of the ******* time.

Of course it's sounds a lot better when Peter says it. Anyway just to piss you off a bit more here's a link to Peter doing the voice over of a character close to my heart. I'm sure you'll hate it.



Actually to prove I do get irony, I'll let you know I knew you never had any hobnobs in the first place. Also that's not the first ironic use of a hobnob I've heard of, I think it involved a schoolboy David Cameron and some of his chums.

Yours ironically Izzythepull
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 09:15 am
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Hancock’s ‘yes’ answer to teaching creationism in school forces mayoral campaign into damage control
(By Ernest Luning, The Colorado Statesman, May 18, 2011)

It took just one word from Councilman Michael Hancock to spark a controversy that threatened to engulf his mayoral campaign a week before mail ballots go out to Denver voters.

During a debate late last week with his runoff opponent, former state Sen. Chris Romer, Hancock answered “yes” when both candidates were asked, “Should creationism or Intelligent Design be taught in Denver Public Schools?” After audible gasps and what sounded like uncomfortable laughter from the audience, Romer took the microphone and answered “no.”

Almost immediately, both campaigns were scrambling — Hancock’s to retract his answer and clarify his position and Romer’s to exploit his opponent’s flub.

Hancock’s team issued a late-night statement saying he had misunderstood the question and should have answered the other way. Then Romer’s camp hit back with a release repeating Hancock’s original answer and an admonition about teaching science in science classes. The next morning the Romer campaign distributed a brief video snippet of the exchange. A few days later two prominent Denver legislators were trading vitriolic emails over the question. In response, a former state lawmaker took to Twitter to defend Hancock and warned against turning the mayor’s race into a “barely veiled referendum on a candidate's faith.”

The fuss over creationism came as the mayoral candidates prepared to turn out voters in an all-mail runoff election for the open seat. Romer led Hancock by a slim margin in the first round of voting, completed on May 3, narrowing the field from 10 candidates on the initial ballot. Ballots go out May 20 and are due back June 7.

Just hours after a poll was released on May 12 showing Hancock ahead of Romer, the two candidates appeared at a debate sponsored by the Denver Democrats and the Denver Young Democrats at East High School. That afternoon, Denver-based political consulting firm RBI Strategies & Research released a poll on the website ColoradoPols.com that showed Hancock leading Romer 41-37 in the runoff. Hancock’s lead is within the survey’s 4.9-percent margin of error. An internal poll released the same day by the Hancock campaign showed its candidate leading by a wider margin.

During the debate, Denver Democratic Party chair Cindy Lowery-Graber, the forum’s moderator, posed a series of rapid-fire questions to the candidates, including the one about creationism — the belief that a supreme being created the world and its inhabitants — and its fancy cousin Intelligent Design, both of which stand opposed to the theory of evolution. The question on creationism came after one about gay marriage (both said they support it) and before one about their favorite restaurant meal in town (Romer picked the gyros omelet at Pete’s Kitchen, Hancock said he liked Peoria Bar and Grill “because they serve grits”).

About an hour after the debate concluded, Hancock’s campaign sent out an email saying the candidate had misunderstood the question and including a statement intended to clarify his position: “While I am a man of great faith, I believe Creationism and Intelligent Design are religious beliefs that have no place in a public school curriculum. The best place for religion to be taught is at home or place of worship.”

Near midnight, the Romer campaign responded with its own statement: “We believe science should be taught in science classes, especially as we strive to improve math and science proficiency among Denver students. Both candidates were asked this question clearly by the moderator. Chris Romer said no. Michael Hancock said yes.”
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 10:29 am
@wandeljw,
Oooops . . .


Hehehehehehehehehehe . . .
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 19 May, 2011 01:01 pm
@Setanta,
Sorta like NEwt
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 06:11 am
@farmerman,
There was a short and rather discreet discussion on Fox News the other night about the standard of the GOP candidates being related to America's obsession with infractions of the Christian sexual codes.

Could you explain to us, fm, the evolutionist point of view on this important matter. Why would infractions of the Christian sexual codes in early life disqualify so many Republican, and I presume Democrat, hopefuls from running for high office and leaving you with a residual pool, consisting of a few who resisted the evolutionary force which we know is so powerful, to choose from.

Witnesses have come forward to say that Mr Obama once hurried from the room in which a stripper came on at a Stag party of a relative of his which he flew to England to attend. That makes it look like he was running for office at a very early stage.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 20 May, 2011 06:13 am
@spendius,
Was the stripper a man ? That might explain a lot of running....
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