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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 11:33 am
STOP PRESS. Bolton just scored against Everton to lead 2-0.

The camera cut to Bolton's manager who was shown shaking his arms at the sky out of which heavy rain is descending. Then it cut to the Everton manager who could be seen examining to top layer of the earth's sedimentary crust.

That sort of thing will have to cease when anti-IDers come to power. What a message to send to all the young fans. That glory comes from above in some mysterious way and that gloom and despondency come from below.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 11:39 am
@spendius,
I could just be mad at the rain, could I not?

stupid rain...
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 12:34 pm
@Rockhead,
Rain is wonderful. It makes lush grass grow and dairy farmers turn it into rich cream which gives all the milkmaids rosy cheeks and sunny dispositions.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 12:59 pm
@spendius,
Dairy farmers turn rain into rich cream? That seems cool to me. "I never heard of it explained that way! My brother was a milk maid and a cowboy but I never thought of him as having a sunny dispositions.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 02:49 pm
@reasoning logic,
Sibling rivalry rl.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 02:53 pm
@spendius,
I not sure that I understand so I asked my brother what he thought about him being described in such a manner but I am afraid that I can not use the language that he had to share!
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Feb, 2011 04:38 pm
@reasoning logic,
That is only to be expected if he lacks a sunny disposition.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 05:39 am
@reasoning logic,
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My brother was a milk maid and a cowboy . I never thought of him as having a sunny dispositions.
I dont really feel surprised. I think he would have been happier on Broke Back Mountain.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 05:57 am
@Ionus,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkmaid

I was referring to this sort of thing. I hadn't realised in my naivete that modern sophistication could run amok.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 06:11 am
@spendius,
Nah, I dont get it. How can you be a milkmaid AND a cowboy ? Unless of course you have smallpox/cowpox, then that would explain everything, just not very well.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 03:05 pm
@Ionus,
Do you think Io that the Old Testament represents the story of the evolutionary life-style and the New Testament the means of transcending it.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 03:41 pm
@spendius,
Just for you Spendius! Can you tell which one is my brother?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOtInBVgM4w
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 04:42 pm
@reasoning logic,
I wrote a song once in which the chorus was, if I remember it correctly

Oh, the milkmaid's name was Daisy
And a fine, sweet young lass was she
When she reached underneath and gritted her teeth
And pulled on the udders and squeezed.

Something like that. It's a long while ago.
Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 04:51 pm
@spendius,
I think the Old Testament is the best atheists can do with religion. The New Testament is a challenge for the truly religious.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 04:53 pm
@spendius,
your new parrot is annoying, sir.

does it do any other tricks?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 14 Feb, 2011 04:56 pm
@spendius,
Spendius I was only joking! My brother was not in the video but he was a cowboy and I guess that a male milker might be called a milk man at the dairy farm, the cowboy was just someone who tended the cows in the field more or less a laborer on the dairy farm
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2011 07:24 am
HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHARLES DARWIN
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A Nationwide Day for Honoring Charles Darwin, but Handled With Caution
By AMY HARMON
Published: February 14, 2011 :from NY TIMES Science Section
There was trepidation on both sides when a squadron of biologists set out to celebrate Darwin Day in rural America during the weekend.
Charles Darwin’s birthday was remembered in 475 celebrations across the United States.
At Dinosaur World in Plant City, Fla., a birthday cake was cooked to celebrate Charles Darwin’s birth.
The National Evolutionary Synthesis Center in Durham, N.C., which instigated the road trip in the name of scientific outreach, first held a workshop where seven of its Ph.D.’s staged role-playing games and practiced debunking misconceptions about evolution without sounding confrontational.

The group’s small-town hosts took their own precautions. A high school principal in Ringgold, Va., sent out permission slips so parents could opt out of sending their children to the event (two did). A museum vice president in Putnam, Iowa, publicized the festivities only to teachers, rather than risk riling members of her conservative Christian community.

Darwin Day, conceived as a way to promote science on the 202nd anniversary of Charles Darwin’s birth — he was born Feb. 12, 1809 — had until this time been commemorated mostly by those inclined to science, at natural history museums, by secular humanist groups and in university biology departments.

“Maybe this year,” Jory P. Weintraub, the education director at the evolutionary synthesis center, proposed to his colleagues last fall, “we should try to go to places that wouldn’t otherwise have a Darwin Day.”

Craig McClain, a marine biologist at the center who studies giant squid, was initially opposed.

“You want to send evolutionary biologists out to rural America?” Dr. McClain asked. “On purpose?”

He recalled previous clashes between scientists and religious conservatives in some rural communities over Darwin’s theory of evolution.

Nineteen schools agreed to host the scientists, but negotiating the terms of the visit was sometimes a delicate process: The goal, they assured a principal who worried about their ideological agenda, was simply to tell students why science was “cool” and perhaps interest them in a career. Still, if questions about religion and science arose, they reserved the right to answer them.

Of the 475 mid-February celebrations listed on the Web site DarwinDay.org, none had been scheduled in any of the states — Virginia, Nebraska, Montana, and Iowa — where the center’s scientists landed.

The center, which receives financing from the National Science Foundation, paired junior scientists with a senior scientist in each of the locations, “so they wouldn’t feel alone and isolated,” Dr. Weintraub said.

The road trip came on the heels of a study that found that a biblical explanation for the diversity of life on Earth is still taught in many schools. Few of the nation’s biology teachers, the study found, directly tell students that evolution forms the foundation of modern biology.

Such statistics, along with rejection by many Americans of what scientists say is evidence that human activities are causing Earth to heat up, concern scientists: the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, a major private funder of biomedical research, recently announced plans to spend $60 million producing documentaries in an effort to raise the nation’s scientific awareness.

Poised for conflict, the traveling scientists found mostly curiosity. “Why did Darwin say that humans evolved from monkeys?” one Virginia student asked. (He did not, the scientist said. Darwin said humans and monkeys shared a common ancestor, like all living things.)

Dr. McClain, who wrapped up his Nebraska-Montana tour at a middle school on Monday, found himself explaining how giant squid evolved.

“Smaller squids get eaten by everything,” he said. “It’s not a very good lifestyle to have.”

Shae Carter, 16, a 10th grader at Muscatine High School in Muscatine, Iowa, was pleasantly surprised by the visiting biologists who, she wrote on her blog, “told it like it is.”

When students recoiled and said “Ewww!” watching pictures of large jungle cats devouring their prey, the scientists told them: “This is what happens, people. Get professional.”

“I had imagined that these periods in the auditorium would be cold and boring,” Shae said in an interview. “But I liked it.”





Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2011 08:06 am
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“You want to send evolutionary biologists out to rural America?” Dr. McClain asked. “On purpose?”

Yes, Doctor, go out into the rural areas.
It took 1500 years for the Christian Church to abandon it's opposition to autopsies, delaying the development of modern surgery for at least that long.

Scientists and artists finally just started ignoring the bishops.

The religious fought against the use of the iron plow for over 100 years after its invention, fearing (of course, fearing) that the metal would somehow poison the soil.
http://books.google.com/books?id=jJR1ZS00u0AC&lpg=PA111&dq=iron%20plow%20poison%20church&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q&f=true

And on and on. Blood transfusions, vaccinations, fluoridated water, .... .. ... ...

So, yes, go out to the rural areas and fear not.

Joe(The truth shall set us free.)Nation

rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2011 08:33 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHARLES DARWIN
Quote:
A Nationwide Day for Honoring Charles Darwin, but Handled With Caution
By AMY HARMON
Published: February 14, 2011 :from NY TIMES Science Section
Poised for conflict, the traveling scientists found mostly curiosity. “Why did Darwin say that humans evolved from monkeys?” one Virginia student asked. (He did not, the scientist said. Darwin said humans and monkeys shared a common ancestor, like all living things.)

This, by the way is not a satisfying or meaningful answer for a Creationist, because "common ancestor" and "monkey" are the same thing to them. Their point with that challenge is not about modern species or ancient species, it's about humans arising from anything other than "poofism". I understand that scientists are giving the correct answer, but I think anyone answering a question like that needs to understand the core objection implied by the question and take their answer to the next level, which is "yes, humans really did evolve from prior life forms, and those things did look like furry primates at one point."
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 15 Feb, 2011 09:25 am
@farmerman,
Photo opportunities my dear. All pushing their boat out. The one I keep harping on about--you know--the torpedo boat stalking the ark of Christian teaching on sexual matters and related subjects.

I can just see what a to-do was made of cooking a birthday cake at Dinosaur World in Plant City, Fla. A change from dinosaurs. When you've seen one lot of plastic dinosaur bone assembly kits you've seen them all. It's a really original idea and no doubt Media rushed to cover it. Local colour, birthday greetings, cakes and dinner ladies all linked to cutting edge fossil science. I hope it had 202 candles and a bloke in a gorilla skin to blow them out.

I suppose these 475 events represent competitive offshoots from the trunk of the tree of knowledge. After it has been rendered into wood-chip. Is there not a sort of Oscar for Best Event?

Are you saying that the NSF organised these 475 gigs. Phew!! The center would have to justify its costs to the NSF surely?

I presume the "squadron of biologists " called at all the pubs along the route and ended up snuggled up in a motel staging role-playing games and practicing debunking misconceptions about evolution without being confrontational. One can't imagine them being very intelligent if the instigation had any other purpose. “We should try to go to places that wouldn’t otherwise have a Darwin Day.”

I'm considering here the hours of the day in relation to the workshop and the remainder of the time. They don't become disembodied spirits when the workshop is not on. I imagine they think more or less along the lines I do which is more or less along the same lines as most of the blokes I've met do.

I can see that the day was commemorated mostly by those inclined to science, at natural history museums, by secular humanist groups and in university biology departments but, as I have to keep reminding you, they are inclined also to sinking Christian teaching on rumpy-pumpy. Which is my hypothesis and you haven't attempted to refute it and so you have no scientific reason to reject it. Resorting to Ignore and/or assertions that it's a load of bollocks are not the sort of things a scientist would do or even dream of doing. The Principal seems to agree with me on that ideological matter.

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Few of the nation’s biology teachers, the study found, directly tell students that evolution forms the foundation of modern biology.


Which means most agree with me and I'm only a troll in this little corner of A2K. And that most biology teachers are talking out of their arse. Still--it was only a study the nature of which is not specified.

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“I had imagined that these periods in the auditorium would be cold and boring,” Shae said in an interview. “But I liked it.” [/i]

It isn't clear from that whether Shae prefers "cold and boring" to "hot and interesting."

Why was the NCSE not in the loop?
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