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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2011 07:04 pm
@farmerman,
Even then, their 30 minutes of fame is restricted to the academics and the interested amateurs. The 19th century was a wild time--read Empires of Light some time to see just how loony Edison, Tesla and Westinghouse were.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2011 07:10 pm
@Setanta,
Some of the paleo scientists have written some popularly recieved books like "T-Rex and the CRater of DOOM", or "Your Inner Fish" or "Relics of EDen". These were all high on best seller lists for nonfiction.

Tesla was certainly a wacko but definately brilliant. Ive always been interested in Edison when I need a dose of focus, but Ill have to admit that Im not too familiar with the adventues of Westinghouse. My hero is Col Drake and how he could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2011 07:22 pm
Edison was heavily invested in DC--which is understandable, since Europe and North America were overwhelmingly invested in DC electrification already. Edison shamelessly ripped off his employees, and particularly Tesla. In the "war" between AC and DC, Edison enlisted Lord Kelvin, and then started spreading horror stories about AC. He electrocuted some animals with AC for the press. His campaign was sufficiently successful that when Tesla and Westinghouse went online with AC on the Niagara River, their prime customer at that time, the city of Buffalo, turned on the current for their street lights in the middle of the night, so that if everything blew up, not a lot of folks would get hurt.

George Westinghouse not only treated Tesla right, he gave him incredible royalties on his devices and his bi-phase asynchronous generator, and even gave him stock opitions sufficient to give Tesla a controlling interest. As the Niagara facility got up and running, Westinghouse was faced with bankruptcy. The customers were lining up, but so were the creditors. Tesla handed back a huge chunk of change, and saved Westinghouse.

Get the book, it's a fascinating story.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2011 07:26 pm
@Setanta,
ok, I was always interesetd in the AC v DC issue.

Antiques Roadshow is on now so AMerican Experience is next.
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panzade
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2011 08:13 pm
@spendius,
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I've just seen a programme on BBC Four about Sister Rosetta Tharpe which claimed that rock and roll is derived from gospel music and that all the big white names used to sit at the back of the church and watch the shows. That's where it comes from.


Sorry spendi...you jump to conclusions. Gospel music had a small influence on R&R and it didn't make money for the US to fund scientists

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we would still be listening to Pat Boone and Frank Sinatra milking the matron market.


What a silly twit thing to post.
tenderfoot
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2011 08:24 pm
Panzade.
quote ..What a silly twit thing to post.... unquote

Please stop boosting Spendiosus's morale.
panzade
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2011 09:46 pm
@tenderfoot,
sure thing greenhorn
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2011 11:50 am
@panzade,
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Sorry spendi...you jump to conclusions. Gospel music had a small influence on R&R and it didn't make money for the US to fund scientists


It's amazing, pan, that you can manage to confess such a woeful capacity in English comprehension, a profound musical illiteracy and an ignorance of supply side economics in such a short sentence.
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tenderfoot
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2011 06:09 pm
See panzade ----- now look what you have done.
panzade
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2011 06:38 pm
@tenderfoot,
don't worry TF...spendi is just here for comic relief. What he knows about American Gospel music would fit inside an aphid's thimble.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2011 06:18 pm
@panzade,
I've read that Greil Marcus book. Invisible Republic. And Mystery Train. And I'm a Dylan fan bigtime.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2011 08:10 am
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Creationists have gotten clever, but there's still no debate over evolution
(By Steven Newton, Opinion Essay, The Christian Science Monitor, January 19, 2011)

As 2011 gets under way, those who care about the integrity of science education are bracing for the latest round of state legislation aimed at undermining the teaching of evolution in the public schools. Every year, a host of these bills are filed across the country. In 2008, one was passed in Louisiana, despite protests from scientists and educators. In Oklahoma, State Senator Josh Brecheen (R) has vowed to introduce a bill in the coming legislative session that requires schools to teach "all the facts" on the so-called fallacies of evolution.

The tactics of creationists have evolved since 1925, when Tennessee’s Butler Act forbade the teaching of evolution, and high school biology teacher John Scopes was put on trial for doing so. (Creationists believe that God created the physical universe and all organisms according to the account in Genesis, denying the evolution of species.)

But creationists’ tactics have also evolved since 2005, when a federal court in Pennsylvania established that teaching intelligent design (ID) in public schools is unconstitutional. The judge in the case ruled, "ID is not science" and derives instead from "religious strategies that evolved from earlier forms of creationism." (Intelligent design holds that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.")

The favored strategy of intelligent design proponents and creationists now is to try to undermine the teaching of evolution by arguing that “evidence against evolution” should be taught, in order to foster a spirit of critical inquiry among students. Arguing that students ought to be exposed to an alleged scientific debate over evolution, intelligent design proponents call for a radical rewriting of textbooks and curricula.

Despite the constant claims of creationists to the contrary, there simply is no debate among scientists about the validity of evolution. If you search research journals and attend scientific conferences, it becomes readily apparent that while there are controversies over the details of evolution, there is no controversy about the basic fact that living things have descended with modification from a common ancestry. Scientists argue how evolution happened, not whether evolution happened.

This doesn’t stop creationists from imagining they can conjure a debate by repeating the claim that there is evidence against evolution. Intelligent design advocates claim they aren’t asking public schools to teach creationism, just the “scientific debate over Darwinian evolution.” The problem, again, is that there is no debate to teach. The National Academy of Sciences, the nation’s most prestigious scientific organization, emphasizes, “There is no scientific controversy about the basic facts of evolution.”

If there were credible scientific evidence against evolution, scientists would be the first to discover it, the first to publish it in peer-reviewed journals, and the first to debate its validity and importance. After all, discovering credible scientific evidence against evolution would be a revolutionary accomplishment, worthy of a Nobel Prize. That’s why accusations from creationists and intelligent design advocates that scientists are conspiring to suppress evidence against evolution are, to put it mildly, silly.

Because scientists are not debating evolution, it is wrong to teach students otherwise. In public school science classes and textbooks, the basic methods and results of the mainstream scientific consensus are presented – not untested fringe ideas, not speculations, but information fully supported by evidence. By demanding to cut in line, creationists ask to bypass the normal process of verifying scientific claims. They try to misuse public resources to foist their scientifically unwarranted denial of evolution on a captive student audience, and to force their culture war into America’s classrooms.

What creationists regard as “scientific evidence” against evolution is really a collection of debunked claims circulating and persisting like urban legends. For example, from the Scopes era to today, creationists have eagerly cited the so-called Cambrian explosion, a 10-million-year period about 530 million years ago when fossils record a blossoming of animal life. Creationists claim that the standard model of evolutionary change is incapable of explaining how so many new kinds of animals could have flourished so quickly.

As Mr. Brecheen, the Oklahoma state senator, recently garbled it, “The main fallacy with Darwinian theory is the sudden appearance at about 540 million years [ago] of fossil records.” (In fact, the earliest fossils were formed about three billion years earlier than that.) The Cambrian explosion, he wrote, “debunks the tree of life” – a view not shared by practicing paleontologists.

Lacking any substantive evidence to make their case, creationists offer a few selective quotes from real scientists to give their arguments authority. For example, noted National Institutes of Health evolutionary biologist Eugene V. Koonin was recently quoted by a program officer with the leading intelligent design organization (The Discovery Institute) as saying that the modern synthesis of evolution has “crumbled, apparently, beyond repair.” The implication was that Mr. Koonin would agree that there is a scientific debate over evolution that deserves to be taught in the schools.

But when I talked to Koonin, he told me this interpretation was simply wrong. Creationists, he said, “delight in claiming that whenever any aspect of ‘(neo)Darwinism’ is considered obsolete, evolution is denied. Nothing could be further from the truth.” Koonin explained that what is “crumbling” in his view is a half-century-old approach to thinking about evolution. Modern evolutionary theory is “a much broader, richer and ultimately more satisfactory constellation of data, concepts, and ideas.” Evolution is alive and well, while creationist understanding of it is apparently stuck in the Eisenhower era.

Whether by banning the teaching of evolution, or requiring the teaching of creation science or intelligent design, or encouraging the teaching of long-ago-debunked misrepresentations of evolution, creationist proposals are bad science, bad pedagogy, and bad policy. Instead of proposing scientifically illiterate and educationally harmful measures, state legislatures – and other policy-makers – should help students learn about evolution. As the geneticist Theodosius Dobzhansky famously said – and as Eugene Koonin explicitly agreed – “Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.”
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2011 09:23 am
@wandeljw,
Odd how he uses the word "ancestry" rather than "ancestor". I think creationists recognise that living things have descended with modification from a common ancestry. My lot were pretty common.

And any arguments about what scientists are debating is beside the point. Scientists are not the only ones who debate matters. And some sciences debate matters that other scientists evidently have on Ignore.

The whole essay hinges on that word "ancestry". Once that word is used there is no argument between the two sides because the use of the word "evolution" is conditioned by it.

And the essay doesn't provide an answer to whether evolution should be taught in public schools to adolescents or otherwise. It is not an argument that because most other aspects of science are taught in schools as scientists would have them taught it follows that evolution should be taught. That the answer is cut and dried is belied by the amount of debate about the matter and if it was cut and dried Mr Newton would have had to write something else, hopefully more challenging than a tapestry of cliches and platitudes we have all heard thousands of times before and which take us not one jot nearer to a resolution of the subject of your thread.

Once you refuse to discuss the social consequences of teaching evolution you are condemned to go around forever in the circles Mr Newton is describing in space. I presume he doesn't want the science of stud-farm eugenics teaching in schools but on his own argument he ought to do.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2011 09:32 am
@spendius,
But, of course, I am not unaware that Mr Newton's readers will remember nothing from his screed other than the idea that not teaching evolution in schools is "silly".

Which, if true, as I expect it mostly is, the spiel gives the reader the impression that he/she is being addressed in a mature and intelligent manner, which is pleasing, but in actual fact it is junior girl's school rhetoric. It's just "silly" is the deposit left in the mind after turning to read something else. A junior girl's school argument I think we can all agree.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2011 09:47 am
@wandeljw,
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“evidence against evolution” should be taught
I agree actuqlly. It is som much better for the kids to be presented "evidence" that supports one belief and then, as the science developed , how this belief was shown to be in ewrror.
The Cambrian Explosion is just such a concept. What was first shown to be a 10 million year period (Which, in oits own right aint anything to sneeze at as deadlines are presented). Now, latest reserach has shown how life had actually trifurcated into its main componenst nd then how complex life actually developed in mid PreCAmbrain times. The last actual even, the development of fossil "hard parts" was merely lifes reaction to highly oxygenated seas and the availability of specific alakalis.

To present the "evidence against" and then show how that evidence was turned about, thus losing one more precious corner for Creationism to hide , is agreeable with me.
However, Im not in charge so I guess well have to see what the school boards say.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2011 10:00 am
@farmerman,
The "precious corner for Creationism" is the social consequences and that is on Ignore here. It is not a place to hide at all. It is hidden. A sort of secret weapon in reserve. Treated in code usually.

The Cambrian Explosion is only of interest to those it interests. Likely, if analysed, founded on money and power and self-esteem.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2011 03:08 pm
In the interest of bringing this thread a better class of writing may I offer some Frank Harris on Bernard Shaw--

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Besides---and this is the most important point---he always observed the Puritan convention in regard to writing and to speech, while I am always chafing against a prudery that fetters the spirit and debases literature. I want to reinstate the broad humane tradition of France or of the spacious days of great Elizabeth, and I am certain that the modern scientific spirit will yet sweep away all the corseting restrictions as unhealthful and ridiculous. The future must judge between Shaw and myself in this respect, and I am not afraid of the verdict.


Old Frank wouldn't be so sure of himself if he could see the prudery of the modern scientific spirit in operation today.

You lot are letting him down. Under the carpet is where you sweep things that chafe against prudery. Sex is the precise fulchrum on which this see-saw is balanced. And you all have it on Ignore along with the whole body of literature that recognises the fact. Which is most of literature.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2011 05:43 pm
@wandeljw,
It appears that it is Mr Breechen who is bringing up these topics to discuss as "fallacies" of evolution. Im sure when his stuffing is knocked about (intellectually speaking), he will, like several others, claim that the real topic he wants discussed is the "Social implication" of evolution.
How dim is he?
Wait, I have an idea who may give him a run for his pence.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 22 Jan, 2011 06:17 pm
@farmerman,
Well--I'm sure he wouldn't say that those who don't wish to discuss social implications are dim. Just wimps. Dim makes an assertion about their intelligence belied by their qualifications which are, of course, peer reviewed.

All prudes are misogynists.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 23 Jan, 2011 07:36 am
TEXAS UPDATE
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CREATIONIST GROUP PUSHES ANTI-EVOLUTION MATERIALS IN TEXAS SCIENCE CLASSES
(Texas Freedom Network Press Statement, January 20, 2011)

In a move that should not surprise anyone, a well-known creationist/“intelligent design” group appeared on a list of publishers that have indicated an intent to submit science curriculum materials for approval by the Texas State Board of Education (SBOE) later this spring. The formal inclusion of this creationist group means Texas will once again be ground zero for creationist attacks on 21st-century science, TFN President Kathy Miller said.

“In 2009 the State Board of Education approved new science curriculum standards that opened the door to creationist materials in Texas classrooms. Today we saw that one prominent creationist group intends to walk through that door,” Miller said. “Getting their materials in public schools has long been a top priority for creationists, and it’s clear that they intend to make Texas their flagship. Teaching inaccurate information rejected by the scientific community would be a huge disservice to Texas kids and a major setback for science education everywhere.”

Among the dozens of publishers who notified the SBOE of their intent to submit science materials for approval was a Richardson,TX-based group called the Foundation for Thought and Ethics (FTE). Approval of materials published by FTE, a self-described promoter of “intelligent design,” would create several serious problems for the board, including:
•FTE’s troubled legal history – FTE published the “intelligent design” textbook (Of Pandas and People) that was ruled to be unconstitutional for use in public schools in the landmark decision Kitzmiller v. Dover (PA).
•FTE’s well-established record of religious proselytizing through its textbooks – As recently as 2002, the group described its mission on IRS tax returns as “promoting and publishing textbooks presenting a Christian perspective of academic studies.”

The actual materials submitted for approval by FTE and other publishers will not be available to the public until March. The State Board of Education, however, has already begun appointing review panels – made up of citizens, educators and scientists – that will evaluate all materials for conformity to the state’s new curriculum standards as well as for factual accuracy.

There will be a public hearing on these materials at the board in April. The board will take a final vote on approval or rejection of these science materials at the conclusion of that April meeting. All materials approved by the board are available for purchase by local school districts for use in science classrooms.
 

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