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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 06:20 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Nobody gives a flying **** about that matter ci. Except a few nitwits who think they are onto a clinching argument to support their position vis-a-vis Christian teaching on sexual matters.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 06:50 pm
@spendius,
If nobody gives a flying ****, why did you even respond?
tenderfoot
 
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Reply Tue 21 Dec, 2010 11:47 pm
The ark idea is great.... As long as they build it the same way as Noah, with timber and it's guaranteed to be able to hold two of every creature on earth and feed em for 40 days . Oh and able to float it.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 03:38 am
@tenderfoot,
Floating is not so much the problem as is whether or not it could swim in stormy seas. Not a hope in hell . . .
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:07 am
@Setanta,
Ican see doing a nationwide searchat every Lumber Liquidator and Home Depot to try to find something called "Gopher Wood"
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:35 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
If nobody gives a flying ****, why did you even respond?


To let you know in the hope you will knock off going on and on about it and boring everybody into eye-rolling mode. Christianity, like all religion, is a way of life. Separation of church and state is a simplistic banality with no basis in reality. The attire, demeanour, manners and language of all the teachers are screened by selection boards to make sure they are Christian.

Dawkins is a Christian.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:38 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
Floating is not so much the problem as is whether or not it could swim in stormy seas. Not a hope in hell . . .


Cripes!!
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:38 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Ican see doing a nationwide searchat every Lumber Liquidator and Home Depot to try to find something called "Gopher Wood"


Cripes!!
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 05:05 am
@spendius,
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Separation of church and state is a simplistic banality with no basis in reality. The attire, demeanour, manners and language of all the teachers are screened by selection boards to make sure they are Christian.



Whenever you fail at comprehension, your immediate response is to try to ridicule, which, as it is, makes your position even more stupid.

Separation of a "State religion" from the governments activity has been patterned and tried in many countries , to much success.
HAving tthe "monarch" as the titular head of a state religion to which the strictures are that this MOnarch or its larvae cannot ever marry a CAtholic, Jew or other "Minor sect" sounds like some hillbilly doctrine based on teeny mindedness and nostalgia over lost empire.
It takes constant vigilence with a government based upon separation of church and state. Such vigilence is self correcting and constantly being refreshed. It takes a national commitment to true equality and, while we are certainly far from that goal, we are much closer to its realization than say the little community of the UK , which still dwells in some fantasy of former glories.

You may note that the religious fervor that occupies the teeny minded Conservatives of the US is to condemn and get all pumped up aginst Muslim nations that practice the Sharia law which encumbers the political with the religious. YET our own Glenn Becks dont recognize that the opposite concept of Ahmadiyya, which is the Muslim view of separation of religion and state is already doing quite well and is in operation in several Muslim states like Turkey or Jordan.
It does take more work to have a state where religion isnt the prime mover of law and the legal system. It does take more work , vigilence and commitment. YEt its far more satisfying as the nation gets older.


The last sentence of your post doesnt make any sense at all and is patently false. I wish you would spend as much time reading as you do in composing your verbal masturbatoria. Maybe you wouldnt sound like such a world ignorant retard when it comes to the TOPIC at hand.
As Tico so wisely stated , you have a talent for randomly stringing words together and then displaying them as if you expect us to believe that they make sense
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 05:08 am
@farmerman,
The arguments over just exactly what the dimensions of a cubit are could stall construction for decades.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 05:15 am
@Setanta,
Did the ark even have a keel or was it an example of segmented modular structure? COurse , in order to be modular, Ole Noah would have needed some Marine plywood.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 05:24 am
@farmerman,
The "illustrations" which the devout come up with for the ark almost always show a keel. Of course, given the proportions of the dimensions (regardless what exact length is assigned to a cubit), it would have broken its back in the first heavy sea. I found one web site, while going over the ark bullshit once again, which said that the gopher tree was a meter in diameter and over ten meters high! (No authority cited, of course--and the author apprently didn't understand what a short, squat, unimpressive tree that would have been). It then said that more than 600 were used--once gain, citing no authority, and displaying incredible ignorance. I've always used U.S.S. Constitution for a comparison, because the complete data on the construction and dimensions of the ship are readily available online. Constitution, much smaller than the alleged ark, even if one uses the low end figure of 18 inches for a cubit, was constructed from more than 2000 trees. That old ark must have been hellishly flimsy, in addition to being nautically idiotic. You need supernatural intervention to make that thing work--which begs the question of why an ark was ever needed in the first place.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 05:42 am
@Setanta,
Id seen some pictures that seemed to show the ARk as being of monocoque construction . I dont know how or who would spend all the time to try to make a fable like that seem true.
Imagine that some douche bag is trying to fond the ARk in an area that noone is even sure is the correct upland area.
Theres an example of wasting patron mopney. Hustle yer flock for cash and then go on a 6 month expedition to "Mt ARarat"

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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 05:50 am
I bet the local Turks make a nice bit of change, though.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 05:59 am
I bet the real ark rests at the bottom of the salt lake in Utah.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 06:04 am
If you spread that around, we could make life really crazy for the Morons . . . er, Mormons.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 06:08 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Separation of a "State religion" from the governments activity has been patterned and tried in many countries , to much success.


My comprehension skills tell me that that doesn't mean much. It certainly goes nowhere near dealing with my point about Christian attire, demeanour, manners and language being screened for by teacher's selection boards and in running invigilation.

Your great difficulty, obvious now for 7 years, is your inability and lack of confidence to defend atheism and its logic as applied to society. You simply attack religion, a very easy thing to do in a room full of nitwits, but singularly fail to extoll the joys of atheism.

Quote:
HAving tthe "monarch" as the titular head of a state religion to which the strictures are that this MOnarch or its larvae cannot ever marry a CAtholic, Jew or other "Minor sect" sounds like some hillbilly doctrine based on teeny mindedness and nostalgia over lost empire.


What ever it sounds like to the simple minded on a jingo thrum you can be sure that it is rather more complex than your self-serving and ridiculous caricature. I gather from your News broadcasts that the US is gearing up for the up-coming Royal wedding as a way of expressing its yearning for a proper Royal family. Ever changing "suits" which get elected on the back of rhetorical flourishes geared to the contingencies of the passing moment are hardly calculated to reach the hearts of the population despite the brass bands, motorcades and parades. The Soviets can do those. And the Chinese. And the North Koreans. William and Kate decorative crockery is now on sale at extraordinary prices.

The US has even made desultory attempts to establish a first family. Kennedy, Clinton and Bush dynasties were conceived and aborted.

Your just raddled with envy.

And there was an item on CBS last night which dealt with population drift into the south and west and the consequent increases in the number of congressmen in the faster growing states. Texas was said to be getting 5 extra seats. The north-east is stagnating. Anti-IDers don't breed as fast as IDers you see. Scientific calibration of shagging is probably a no-no from an evolutionary point of view. When shagging's not a sin it becomes a bit orderly. Anybody can talk about Hitler's breeding camps as an abstract concept passed over in a verbal phrase but what was it like being ordered to do the business in Room 74/B/19 after the age of, say, 21.

Your real problem fm is the simple way you see everything. History as a sort of skating rink for you to show off on. It isn't. It's fiendishly complex and the ones who know least about it are the ones who deny that.

How can you refer to the UK as "little community"? That beggars belief.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 06:24 am
We have already had all this baby talk about Arks.

The Ark in the Kentucky venture is a device for holding people upside down so that loose change is dislodged from their pockets without them noticing. It needs no keel or to be seaworthy. At least it won't cost what the Organisation Européenne pour la Recherche Nucléaire) , known as CERN, (pronounced sarn) is costing to find out what happened just after the Big Bang, whatever that means. And it is bound to be more fun for the kids.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 06:29 am
The JAmes ossuary has been shown to be a fake. Theres really not much in the relic trade that is real. So why not bring the Mormons on board. They only have Jesus in the New World , why not NOah too?

They are missing a real cash cow here.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2010 06:34 am
@farmerman,
That's right . . . it can't be cheap to send all those clowns around to pound on our doors way to early of a Saturday morning . . .
 

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