sorry wandel, but I dont think that spendi adds anything to this thread either. When we get PMing back, I have a solution. Till then, Im gonna not participate because any of our objections to his childish churlishness would be read as petulance. I am interested in the subject but not with his mean spiritedness on the boards.
My honest opinion is that he should seek competent help or else get laid for once in his life so he can have something else to obsess about .
Any idea when PMing will return? If this site is to become self policed, we will need to deal with dickheads like spendi or else the boards will be turned into another abuzz (remember what that became when masses of clowns like NY Zinger and his ilk were sinking the ship).
Im not going to play with spendi because Ive got work to do and , Im not teaching the next 2 semesters so I dont need contributions from these yahoos for classroom discussions.
PS greg Krukonis has produced a fun book on evo/devo . Its in the "for dummies" series and is quite comprehensive. Its called "Evolution for Dummies" and is quite good and is enjoyable on several levels(K-12 through grad school). It leaves the reader well equipped with other resources and links to satisfy any appetite. I gave it a 3.5/5 rating only because it needs a better cross reference system. That aside, its comprehensive and entertaining as an introductory text and is a good resource for grad schoolers who arent necessarily focused in the area of evolutionary genetics or paleo but need a solid background in whats current.
@farmerman,
Thanks, farmerman. I was hoping that spendi would concentrate on the ID thread and leave this thread alone.
How about it, spendi? Can you say what you need to say on the ID thread and leave this thread alone?
@wandeljw,
Quote:Re: farmerman (Post 3397749)
Thanks, farmerman. I was hoping that spendi would concentrate on the ID thread and leave this thread alone.
How about it, spendi? Can you say what you need to say on the ID thread and leave this thread alone?
Guys, just put the "Ignore User" on him and forget about it. It's easy. If people want to read his posts that's up to them.
@rosborne979,
You obviously don't accept ros that your infantile strategy shreds your scientific credentials.
Since when have you lot earned the right to determine who writes what on which thread. Your totalitarian clitoris is again exposed to view.
The readers decide whether to buy it or not--not the writers.
Frank Harris wrote-
Quote: Perhaps the wisest man I have met in my life was Alfred Russel Wallace, the scientist who wrote of the survival of the fittest some time before Darwin. Dr Wallace's pamphlet was so similar to Darwin's work that even some of its phrases appeared as titles in Darwin's MS. He was indeed the first to interpret the evolution of the world as Darwin afterwards interpreted it. It must be recorded in his honor that as soon as Darwin's book came out on the Origin of Species in 1859, Wallace hailed him as the chief of the school, and declared at once that the theory would be known as Darwinism, though he himself had promulgated it years before. When I asked him how he came to this unexampled generosity, he smiled in his kindly way and said, " You could not talk of Wallaceism, but you could talk of Darwinism. Besides, to be serious, Darwin had done all the spade work which I had neglected, thought unnecessary.
I presume "thought unnecessary" because it was so simple. Like studying every species of fish to prove that they swim in water.
Harris goes on later to say-
Quote: He believed devoutly, simply, in a life after death, in this life indeed as a mere moment in the life of the spirit, and he insisted that personal identity would be preserved beyond the grave. I could not follow him in this though I admired the spiritual beauty of the creed and its incalcuable effect on life and conduct.
We have seen many examples of the effect on life and conduct of the atheistic materialism promulgated on this thread and in another place.
Not only do some posters on this thread refuse to expose themselves to other views but they deny the existence of the martyrs to their own cause and now they will have to deny the beliefs of the founder of their own creed.
They even deny that their creed will have an effect on the life and conduct of those who they persuade.
Wallace distinguished between the struggle for existence per se and, in his own words,--
Quote:and the struggle for spiritual, intellectual and moral existence. Evolution can account for the land-grabber, the company promoter and the sweater; but if it fails to account for the devotion of the patriot, the enthusiasm of the artist, the constancy of the martyr, the resolute search of the scientific worker after Nature's secret, it has not explained the whole mystery of humanity.
@rosborne979,
I put him on ignore last week.
@edgarblythe,
Aren't we all overjoyed about that?
I am anyway. I would feel disgruntled and dejected if I thought Ed was understanding my posts.
@wandeljw,
We all know that as a way of knowing science is the bee's knees. Why does the gump belabour that point?
What about as a way of life? We don't all want to end up in the hole you lot are in irrespective of how much you know. There are many things we don't wish to know as fm and ros have proved. They just want us to know what they know.
Putting people on the Mom's Apron Ignore button and running around claiming that hypotheses should be subject to testing! Good gracious! Who would ever wish to look quite that stupid? And bragging about it too.
You're clean out of science when you block off the chap across the table. In one jump.
@wandeljw,
What I would do if I was a strategist on your side is post a request to ros and fm to take me off Ignore. Or say they had.
You could say that it is a scientific fact that spendi is murdering us on it. Which he is but no credit is due as anybody with any brains could do it.
@spendius,
I would even allow them to present it as a gesture of magnaminity and tolerance without protest.
I might have a good gloat privately mind you.
@spendius,
Hey wande-
This is sozobe's brand new signature line--
Quote:“We owe it to our readers to present everybody's ideas equally and not to ignore or discredit theories simply because they lack scientifically credible arguments or facts.” -Scientific American.
@wandeljw,
Why would a chemist and a biochemist be considered experts on education policy?
Quote:A spokesman for the Royal Society indicated it would not be asking Reiss to step down.
“Michael Reiss’s views are completely in keeping with those of the Royal Society,” he was quoted as saying by The Observer.
It looks like I'm on the same side as the Royal Society. It must consist of trolls and people to ignore.
It might be said that those who try to read the Creator's mind out of the tapestry of Nature are the one's Shakespeare called "God's spies". And the truest scientists.
Once one is chiselling out a living, or some other benefit, out of Nature's patterns certain suspicions are justified. One can IGNORE the suspicions of course but they do not go away.
It is a suspicion that two eminent scientists are running around London putting out statements to the press when they ought really to be in their labs, which we have paid for, working on cures for every unfortunate condition known to man. Or in their home study going over papers in an armchair by the fire while the wife knits them a new cardigan whilst watching an omnibus edition of Coronation Street.
Or are they saying atheism is a cure for man's conditions? That's a rather complex question to say the least. Assuming fantasy is excluded.
with the newest findings in convergent evolution, genetic controls of body plans, the minimalist expressions of genes, the discovery of flexible tissues in fossils , the discovery of degraded osteocalcin in 100000 year old fossils , the discovery of several key intermediate fossils, the discovery of the connections between reptiles and birds, I believe we could safely allow "Creationist" thinking into a classroom where its fallacies could be , in the light of the overwhelming evidence, be quickly understood and just as quickly dismissed.
While Im not a big fan of wasting students time on such flaming error, perhaps a good dose of "Intesnsive exposure" to the history and errors of Creationist thinking, could be used to help our kiddies to understand how the scientific method and discovery of the underpinnings of evolution have disassembled any "evidence" that the Creationists have been touting.
I dont know, but perhaps our continuous avoidance of the ancient testament of creationism needs to be reevaluated and put into some nonreligious context so it can fall under its own lack of any substance when compared to real world synthesis.
PS-spendi, when A2K changed over, it has allowed us to ig nore you for the first time. Im still deciding about whether to ignore you officially or not. You do spend too much time preening . Youre kind of like a road accident, everyone tunes in to see what damages youll do to yourself everytime you open your mouth (virtually of course).
Paraphrasing something I heard on the radio this weekend, "Spendi is alternatively clued",
@farmerman,
Put me on Ignore fm for goodness sake. Put everybody on Ignore who has a different view to your's. Get your tunnel vision properly focussed.
Although I am at a loss to understand how your understanding of the scientific method sits comfortably with such an infantile strategy.
I feel sure A2Kers are pretty sick of you continuously delineating my character.
But I am more than delighted that I am "alternatively clued" to you lot. I have a few friends on A2K. I think they will be delighted too.
@spendius,
Quote: I feel sure A2Kers are pretty sick of you continuously delineating my character
I endeavor to be accurate, thank you.
@farmerman,
Your endeavours are at the mercy of your fantasies. Accuracy doesn't come into it.
Two questions-
1--How many teachers are required to teach evolution?
2- What qualifications do they need to be approved in interviews?