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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 08:17 am
@rosborne979,
there were another two "Slush pile ages in the end of the Ordovician and the Permian .These were theorized based upon closing sea lanes and maybe dust and greenhouse gases during the Taconic and ALleghanian times
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 08:22 am
@spendius,
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What does snowball earth, fanciful computer images of moon formation, catastrophe theory, best selling pop-science books and fm's crazy bullshit have to do with teaching kids how to be happy and lead fulfilling and useful lives?


It keeps them from becoming tired old useless drunks who decry any knowledge that doesnt honor Mother Church as the progenitor of their "intellectual efforts ".
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 08:23 am
@High Seas,
I drink the equivalent of one medium glass of wine a day (two pints of 3.4% beer approved by the medical profession) late at night and I'm a vegan with a choresterol level my doctor envies.

What are your habits in these regards?

I would say that theology is philosophy applied to human social organisation and as human social organisation is by far the most important matter for study, as Pope wrote, all other types of philosophy are secondary and by a considerable margin.

That is why I think that snowball earth, fanciful computer images of moon formation, catastrophe theory, best selling pop-science books and fm's crazy bullshit are irrelevant to this thread and constitute gross self-indulgent trolling.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 08:23 am
@farmerman,
Thanks - it was my (of necessity, limited) understanding as well that the preponderance of geological evidence supports that theory of the Moon's creation. My question was more general: I was really trying to see whether we stand at the end of an very highly improbable sequence of random shocks - in which case no prediction is possible - which, as far as I can tell from a mathematical background, is what the ID-ers really claim; and based on such a "high implausibility" hypothesis they postulate the necessary existence of a deity. Possibly I misrepresent their argument, though.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 08:51 am
@rosborne979,
Snowball earth is a belief system. It doesn't take into account plate tectonic drift which could have caused continents to be at the poles periodically, nor does it offer an explanation of how it ceased.

The more ice there is on the surface the less energy is absorbed from the sun because the whiteness reflects it back to space. Thus, once established it ought to become permanent. Which it isn't. As you all know.

The belief system has its popes, its cardinals, its bishops, its clergy, its lay dupes and assorted hangers on hoping to make money out of human stupidity, theological texts, catechisms and various dogmatic mantras designed to be easily remembered. It has nothing to say about courtship rituals, marriage customs, sexual practices, art, double entry book-keeping, Faustian mathematics, law and order, periodic festivities, manners, etiquette or anything else of significance to normal people. It's a form of intellectual suicide: the avoidance of a proper brain-life. It takes us nowhere and if anybody thinks it is going to touch, never mind undermine, the objectors to the teaching of evolution they are living in cloud cuckoo territory.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 08:53 am
@spendius,
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Snowball earth is a belief system. It doesn't take into account plate tectonic drift which could have caused continents to be at the poles periodically, nor does it offer an explanation of how it ceased.

The more ice there is on the surface the less energy is absorbed from the sun because the whiteness reflects it back to space. Thus, once established it ought to become permanent. Which it isn't. As you all know.
WHOA, spendi offers a technical objection. ALERT THE MEDIA!!.
Please expand your concerns herein, maybe we can discuss them.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 09:08 am
@farmerman,
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Each year the liquor industry spends almost $2 billion dollars on advertising and encouraging the consumption of alcoholic beverages.

Americans spend over $90 billion dollars total on alcohol each year.


I suppose the liquor industry and the advertising industry will definitely reject snowball earth, fanciful computer images of moon formation, catastrophe theory, best selling pop-science books and your crazy bullshit if they have the effect you say.

Which I don't think they do. It's $300 a year for every man, woman and child in the US. $90,000,000,000 is a lotta bread.

The puritan heresy rides this thread like a mattress rides on a roof-rack on a bumpy road. fm confuses alcohol consumption with alcohol abuse. I suspect a reformed alcoholic.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 09:16 am
@farmerman,
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Please expand your concerns herein, maybe we can discuss them.


I don't have any concerns about the matter. I don't give a flying **** if the earth was made of candy floss hundreds of millions of years ago. I'm here to put communists out to grass in the here and now so they don't screw up the future.

I gather, btw, that biometric dating is untrustworthy over such a time.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 09:31 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
....The belief system has its popes, its cardinals, its bishops, its clergy, its lay dupes and assorted hangers on hoping to make money out of human stupidity, theological texts, catechisms and various dogmatic mantras designed to be easily remembered.....

I had to read this three times to grasp that you've finally taken to quoting Calvin - or was it Max Weber? Congratulations either way Smile
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 09:42 am
@High Seas,
see next post.

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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 09:45 am
@High Seas,
I've never read Calvin. I think he was an ignorant, sadistic teedoubleyouaytee. I've read Weber though but it's a long time ago. I need neither to come up with such a simple and obvious sentence. I didn't even mention the esoteric liturgy which you see in fm's posts.

It is Weber's ideas on why capitalism didn't develop anywhere else apart from in a Christian culture that had an influence on my attitudes. Not that I'm bothered about the why. The fact was sufficient.

Anti-IDers are not just out to subvert Christianity. They are out to subvert everything that comes with it. Like lingerie.

High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 09:50 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

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What does snowball earth, fanciful computer images of moon formation, catastrophe theory, best selling pop-science books and fm's crazy bullshit have to do with teaching kids how to be happy and lead fulfilling and useful lives?


It keeps them from becoming tired old useless drunks who decry any knowledge that doesnt honor Mother Church as the progenitor of their "intellectual efforts ".

Without venturing into ecclesiastical matters it's safe to say that Spendius, who defines the set of all philosophers as limited to Laurence Sterne (1713–68), Vatican theologians and unspecified anchorites, knows less than nothing about philosophy. Or science; or mathematics.

The fact he can't spell the name of the only "philosopher" (really a theologian and novelist) he brings up, "Laurence Sterne", hardly inspires confidence in his related pronouncements. And what does any of this have to do with communism, the latest term he throws into this discussion?
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High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 09:53 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
Anti-IDers are not just out to subvert Christianity. They are out to subvert everything that comes with it. Like lingerie.

Lingerie?! Sorry guys - really think it wiser to stay away from this thread in the mathematically foreseeable future. Thanks, goodbye Smile
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 09:57 am
@High Seas,
Yes. Weber missed lingerie which like capitalism is a function of Christian theology. He was a trifle neurotic after all.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 12:52 pm
@spendius,
Spendi's intellectually, small taters. Hes never really put together anyhting sensical so why should you be compelled to run?
Do you run from attack parakeets?
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 02:21 pm
@farmerman,
I think High Seas found our thread a mite too challenging fm. So quickly too. It shows you can take it doesn't it? Apart from the occasions you had me on Ignore. I think one of those might have been caused by my mentioning lingerie.

I liked that once again I know less than nothing about any matter that happens to come up.

I can't believe I mis-spelled Laurence Sterne's name. He was a truly great philosopher. As was Rabelais, Cervantes, Homer, Ovid, Flaubert, Fielding, Stendhal, Frank Harris, Henry Miller, Shakespeare and a good many more. It depends on how philosophy is defined. I can understand it if somebody has been seduced into thinking they are clever with all the gink-heads, with funny names, weaving of the winds, thinks I know less than nothing about these matters. Good!

I wouldn't like it to get about that philosophy is done in lecture halls and classrooms with certificates to prove the expertise. That's for lefties.

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2010 05:12 pm
@spendius,
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Vain science! thou assists us in no case of this kind---and thou puzzlest us in every one.


Laurence Sterne. Tristram Shandy. Vol VI. Chapter XXIX.

farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2010 04:25 am
@spendius,
"...And, wherever you go, there you are..." ( Juan Silvestri de la Piscado)
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2010 05:38 am
@farmerman,
Fortunately fm, my experiences, and those I've read of others worth the trouble, have provided me with the equipment such that I have no need to have that pointed out to me.

But with time being such an enigma we can only be somewhere for a moment asymptoting with zero duration. We are in motion. Always going. If we know where we are we've stopped. In which case we wouldn't know it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2010 07:34 am
@spendius,
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Fortunately fm, my experiences, and those I've read of others worth the trouble, have provided me with the equipment such that I have no need to have that pointed out to me.

Isnt an education a wonderful thing?
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