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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 6 Sep, 2010 05:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I thought they had lived up to it actually.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 04:56 am
@spendius,
Quote:
Darwinian Conservatism by Larry Arnhart

The Left has traditionally assumed that human nature is so malleable, so perfectible, that it can be shaped in almost any direction. Conservatives object, arguing that social order arises not from rational planning but from the spontaneous order of instincts and habits. Darwinian biology sustains conservative social thought by showing how the human capacity for spontaneous order arises from social instincts and a moral sense shaped by natural selection.


Quote:
Larry Arnhart is a Presidential Research Professor of Political Science at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, Illinois. His areas of teaching and research include the history of political philosophy, biopolitical theory, and American political thought. Arnhart is the author of five books and more than thirty peer-reviewed articles.

Has a Ph.D. in Political Science from the University of Chicago in 1977, an M.A. in Political Science from the University of Chicago in 1974, and a B.A. in Politics from the University of Dallas in 1971.

In the Department of Political Science at Northern Illinois University, Arnhart teaches in the fields of political theory and biopolitics.

Arnhart is best known as a scholar in the history of political philosophy and as a proponent of "Darwinian natural right," "Darwinian conservatism," and "Aristotelian liberalism." He argues that the tradition of ethical naturalism from Aristotle to Thomas Aquinas to Alasdair MacIntyre can be supported by a Darwinian account of ethics as rooted in human biological nature, which combines liberty and order, freedom and virtue.

In defending Darwinian naturalism, Arnhart has debated the proponents of "intelligent design theory" by suggesting that they employ a purely negative rhetoric of criticizing Darwinian evolutionary theory, while offering no positive theory of exactly where, when, and how the "intelligent designer" intervenes in nature to create "irreducibly complex" mechanisms. Arnhart has debated the leading advocates of "intelligent design"--Michael Behe, William Dembski, John West, Jonathan Wells, and Richard Weikart—all of whom are fellows of the Discovery Institute. John West has written a book attacking Arnhart--Darwin's Conservatives: A Misguided Quest.

In defending Darwinian conservatism, Arnhart tries to persuade conservatives that Darwinian science supports the conservative belief that social order arises not from rational planning but from the spontaneous order of instincts and habits. He suggests that Darwinian biology sustains conservative social thought by showing how the human capacity for spontaneous order arises from social instincts and a moral sense shaped by natural selection in human evolutionary history.


So what are lefties doing supporting evolution theory?

Answer--they think it justifies their indiscipline. They are seriously confused. The theory of evolution is as conservative as conservative gets or can get.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 06:39 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

The fourth Creation Geology Conference was held in late July at McConnell College in Cleveland, Georgia.
A Creation Geology Conference... Hahahahahaha Smile That's rich. What's next, the Flat Earth Moon program where you walk to the edge and jump off to get to the moon.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:46 am
LOUISIANA UPDATE
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Teaching Atheism 101 in our public schools
(John Byrd, Shreveport Times Opinion Section, September 7, 2010)

Biology is a required course in our public high schools. Modern biology textbooks put forth Darwinism or evolution as an explanation for the diversity of life on this planet.

Darwinism is an atheistic theory that attributes all that we see to chance and natural causes. Man and all living things evolved by chance from a single common ancestor that was somehow birthed by chance from inorganic matter somewhere in a universe that was produced by a chance explosion of unknown matter. It's called "science" or "scientific naturalism."

Scientific naturalism has one rule. It excludes the supernatural or God as a possible explanation for anything. This exclusion makes "science," "scientific naturalism" and Darwinism atheistic. Teaching Darwinism in biology class is tantamount to teaching Atheism 101.

The states, not the federal government, determine what is taught in their schools. The U.S. Constitution prohibits states from advancing or inhibiting religion or non-religion/atheism. In 2008, the Louisiana Legislature passed, almost unanimously, the Louisiana Science Education Act (LSEA). Pursuant to that act, local school boards can choose to supplement standard biology textbooks that present only this atheistic explanation for man's existence with textbooks and teaching aids that critique and examine the unsupported and unsupportable fallacies and extrapolations of Darwinism.

With no discussion, the Caddo School Board adopted a policy June 15 that contains some of the language of the LSEA. In a prior session, board member Charlotte Crawley asked if there was a dollar figure for implementing the policy. Reginald Abrams, legal counsel for the board, answered by saying "This is just a statement."

When asked by state Rep. Thomas Carmody how Bossier Parish had responded to the passage of the LSEA, Bossier schools Superintendent D.C. Machen provided a copy of the exact statement and indicated that the statement "is the action the BPSB has taken related to this issue."

There apparently is some collaboration between the school districts on how to "play like" they're doing something when they're really not. A policy that is "just a statement" does nothing to bring about change.

I have made inquiry of administrators and board members from Caddo and Bossier. I have spoken with those who know what has or has not been done and attempted to contact others who did not return my calls. I sent a letter by e-mail to each of the 12 Caddo School board members asking what action they had taken in response to passage of the LSEA that would affect change in the classroom.

I got one response. Board member Barry Rachal responded by saying, "I am not aware of any changes at this time. I will inquire and get back to you." Receiving no further communication, I followed up with another e-mail five days later. I have received no further information from Mr. Rachal.

I had a similar experience with board member Bonita Crawford. The Caddo School Board has clammed up. I am left with the obvious presumption that nothing has been done to affect or produce the change in the classroom that was the intended consequence of the legislation.

Knowing the board has done nothing to stem the one-sided presentation of atheism in our public schools, we might all ask, "Why did they choose to continue to teach children what some, if not all, believe to be a lie, the most egregious of all lies?"

Having made that decision, they're obviously not proud of their reasoning. None will acknowledge that he/she did nothing, much less explain why.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 08:51 am
@rosborne979,
Quote:
A Creation Geology Conference... Hahahahahaha Smile That's rich. What's next, the Flat Earth Moon program where you walk to the edge and jump off to get to the moon.


Gee--that was really funny I thought. You would need to cry if you thought it wasn't. It's the latest version of what ros used to mutter to his mates on the back row of the pews when Holyjoe was up on his hinder legs. A sarcasm made more biting when hissed quietly in an almost silent rebellion against those forces hindering getting downtown on the rollerskates to check out the talent on a fine spring morning. There to be played, as fishermen do with their fly, tempted, hooked, netted, landed, coshed, gutted and fried in whatever the latest ******* thing in cooking oil is, garlic flavoured I hope, and served up to public view as what the well-bred woman has for a gopher. To do all those tasks such a lady finds tiresome. He has to live in because he might only be sometimes here when wanted and that's tiresome too. It can be avoided by only engaging in homosexual unions. Or engaging in no unions at all. Or putting your foot down.

And thus ros was the wit. Wit his pals liked to hear. Or he might be copying other wits and pretending he's a wit. Then he's a half-wit logically. And that's only if the copied wit was original and hadn't been copied itself. And so on ad absurdum. So half-wit is a compliment actually. Maybe ros will take me off Ignore now.

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What's next, the Flat Earth Moon program where you walk to the edge and jump off to get to the moon.


It is witty I admit. Moon=the talent. This Holyjoe's system is too slow. But I would have changed the first "moon" to "space" so that the crass solecism of having two moons in one sentence is avoided.

And the bottom line of the Faustian scientific spirit is precisely walking to the edge, running now and again, and jumping off into clear, limitless space searching for the "moon". We got there figurativly with Marilyn, Ms Collins in her prime, Marlene (fill in name to taste), and literally. Playing golf up there as well.

The question is--can we live with the Faustian scientific spirit without governance? Which begs two more.

If it is to be governed then what with?

If not, what will it be like for our descendents?

I was exposed to those types of witticisms at a very early age and through up till now. I may even have expressed a few myself when a tender little hand was rigidly holding my wrist or some other gesture of resistance inspired by religion. What would geologists do to ensure that a decent modicum of resistance be maintained at its already low level? You really would get walking to the edge, blindfold, and jumping off at the moon. It does have a dark side.

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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 09:17 am
@wandeljw,
Quote:
There apparently is some collaboration between the school districts on how to "play like" they're doing something when they're really not.


I told you early in these threads that there is no "apparently" about it. Phone calls, faxes, e-mails, chats, barbecues, hairdressing salons etc etc, are where it's at. The statements are ludicrous. The subject is ludicrous. That's the beauty of it. One can be part of something in a well-stocked maze that has no exit and from which only pole-vaulters can escape. An endless round of competitive busy-beeing, from which a future president might emerge, located in a large number of hot-spots where the nectar is sweetest.

(How's that for a mixed metaphor?)
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 11:10 am
@spendius,
That's typical spendi-speak.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 11:18 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yeah-- classy eh? For off the cuff I mean. I once tried not off the cuff writing and I was all day on a short paragraph.

I don't suppose you know the difference ci. I bet you have never tried not off the cuff writing.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 11:50 am
@spendius,
It's because you don't understand what entails "off the cuff."
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 12:51 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

LOUISIANA UPDATE
Quote:
Teaching Atheism 101 in our public schools
(John Byrd, Shreveport Times Opinion Section, September 7, 2010)

Darwinism is an atheistic theory that attributes all that we see to chance and natural causes.


The basis for this guy's arguments are specious. The modern theory of evolution is not Darwinism, evolutionary theory is not atheistic and atheism is not a religion.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 12:58 pm
@rosborne979,
Four assertions and all wrong. Pretty good going even for ros.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 01:10 pm
@spendius,
spendi, You don't even understand intellectual debate. You can't use a big brush to poo poo somebody's post without telling us why "four assertions and all wrong?"

This is not your local pub where you can get away with this kind of bull ****.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 01:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Why repeat Mr Byrd's arguments? And the others I've given along the way.

You wouldn't know an intellectual debate if it jumped up and bit your breeches arse out.

He is six years behind me in suggesting there is more going on behind the scenes than the PR handouts intimate. And I didn't take refuge in an "apparently".
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:37 pm
I see that all the love remains in the room while I was away for a few days.

I read some of the "Creation Geology" Abstracts and was only mildly amused. Several of them are actually practiced fraud. Coconino limestone is one, Radio jalos of Polonium is another, and paryticle size distribution a thrid. I love how all the papaers start with an assumption that a worldwide flood actually occured.(Yet, on the same page, they need to diffuse that assumption to make their own "facts" work out"

farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 03:41 pm
@farmerman,
Looks like ANUS has hid=s head up his cloaca again.

psst, what inhibitor escalates a primary instinct of organisms?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:02 pm
@farmerman,
Chastity.

Quote:
Chastity, by nature
the gentlest of all affections -- give it but
its head -- 'tis like a ramping and a roar-
ing lion.


Tristram Shandy. Volume V. Chapter 1 (Upon Whiskers).

A very amusing chapter it is too.

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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 05:16 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
I love how all the papaers start with an assumption that a worldwide flood actually occured.


It depends on what "worldwide" means. See areas of Pakistan which I understand our two governments are standing shoulder to shoulder to do something about.

Does it say "worldwide" in the Bible fm or are you practicing a twee fraud on the basis of hindsight and starting with the assumption that what the word means now was what it meant 3000 years ago?

Shame on you insulting our intelligence with a simple trick like that.

Do you think the children of the stricken regions of that poor country care what you mean by worldwide? They only have one world.

You would be better off forgetting about the Flood. It only makes you look stupid when you bring it to our attention.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 06:53 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Does it say "worldwide" in the Bible fm or are you practicing a twee fraud on the basis of hindsight and starting with the assumption that what the word means now was what it meant 3000 years ago?
Your disagreement should be with the YECs since they are the ones who scream that there was a worldwide flood. Are you trying to revise their creed also?
Congrats , you seem to have come full circle to agree with the majority on this thread. Keep it up, soon we will have you forgetting the Apostles Creed and , instead, reciting Raup.
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 09:58 pm
@farmerman,
Must be that poor sick bastard Gomer the Turd's posting...mentions **** and arseholes in a "very clever manner"....why do you pretend to be knowledgable ? Is it too late for you to go to school ? If you spent your time learning instead of bluffing, maybe you would know something by now.

Let me guess... you spent days in the library to return with garbage posts, hoping someone wont call your bluff or know something of the topic.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 7 Sep, 2010 10:03 pm
@farmerman,
I know you wont understand this, but if the ancient world was limited to knowledge of the local area, then of course it was a world wide flood. Why would anyone assume the world went to places unseen and unknown ? Your world consists of arseholes and ****. No doubt that is your entire world. Now do you understand ?
 

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