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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 04:10 am
@cicerone imposter,
Anus is just making one of his sweeping generalizations that he expects anyone to accept as fact. There are about 5400 species of mammals on the planet. How many of them use cannibalism in their daily lives? Im not certain that its "Most".

Anus gets all freaky if someone inspects and questions his intellect. After all, he reads SMithsonian Magazine
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 07:44 am
CREATION MUSEUM UPDATE
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Ministry Blasts 'Gross Misrepresentation' of Creation Museum
(Nathan Black, The Christian Post, August 22, 2010)

The Creation Museum issued a response this week refuting much of the critiques that were made in a recent LiveScience article, including the claim that non-Christians are unwelcome.

"This is nonsense. We have hosts of non-believers come through the museum that are perfectly respectful," Answers in Genesis, the ministry that operates the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., said in its response.

"There is no compulsory Christianity here. This is a contrary to the fact fallacy," said the biblical apologetics ministry.

A LiveScience article on Wednesday summarized a study by Bernadette Barton, a professor of sociology at Morehead State University. She visited the Creation Museum three times as part of a larger project to try to understand "the fundamentalist framework."

While AiG is used to being criticized by evolutionists, the ministry pushed back against the LiveScience article, accusing it of "grossly misrepresent[ing]" its museum.

In a public rebuttal, the ministry tried to set the facts straight.

AiG made clear that the Creation Museum welcomes "all people as long as they are willing to behave themselves." Among its more than a million visitors, the museum has welcomed atheists and secular geologists.

While the LiveScience article noted that people who don't ascribe to fundamentalism often report the need to hide their thoughts for fear of being judged or snubbed, AiG responded, "Actually, this happens the other way around far more often.

"Often in public universities and schools that claim they are not religious, Christian students (and professors) are ridiculed and chastised."

AiG added, "We recognize that some visitors will feel somewhat uncomfortable being in a place that disagrees with their closely held worldview, even if it’s presented in a respectful way as it is here. We also acknowledge that as the gospel is presented in the museum ... it will challenge people to accept the claims of Christ – that He is Creator, Savior, and Lord (Colossians 1). That is a message that can be convicting, but it is presented out of love and concern, and not in an aggressive way."

The Creation Museum opened to the public in 2007 and presents a literal interpretation of the Bible. Exhibits include dinosaurs co-existing with humans, and a huge wooden ark.

Clarifying some of the beliefs of Young Earth creationists, AiG explained that it fully embraces natural selection as an observable principle of science. But the ministry noted that natural selection is not evolution.

"Creationists obviously believe animals change, but we do not believe one kind will change into another kind."

AiG also clarified that it is not "devoted" to a message of proclaiming a young earth, as the LiveScience article presented, but it is rather devoted to biblical authority. And as a corollary of this, it is convinced that the age of the universe and the earth are around 6,000 years old.

"In reality, the Creation Museum is all about the authority of the Bible – from Genesis to Revelation – and that’s what guests learn as they take their 'walk-through history' according to the Scriptures," AiG stated.

The ministry also pointed out that the LiveScience article wrongly stated that there were exhibits in the museum discussing the sinfulness of homosexuality and same-sex marriage.

"I'm aware of no such exhibits," AiG stated. "There is no museum signage that discusses gay marriage or homosexuality.

"Perhaps this is a reference to our teaching about Adam and Eve being our common ancestors, which comes directly from the Bible and provides us with God's definition of marriage."

Ultimately, AiG believes the LiveScience commentary and the Barton study are attacks on Christianity as a whole. The ministry laments that the commentary used labels that trigger fear and that could cause non-Christian readers to think twice about visiting the museum.

"By not touring, they may never receive a full treatment anywhere else of the wonderful teaching that the Bible is true – including its gospel message."
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 09:19 am
@wandeljw,
Im thinking of building a flat earth museum, full of all the scientific proof of a flat earth. Then when people come and confront me, I can whine about how they are attacking me and detsroyning my freedoms.
The Creation museum presents itself as a science exhibit with a Biblical source, and then they kvetch that they are protected under the 1st AMendment.
THeywant to have it all ways.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 10:37 am
@farmerman,
That's been obvious from the get-go. They can't see their own hypocrisy.
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spendius
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 12:34 pm
@farmerman,
Is the curve at which a tangent touches it flat fm? And isn't the surface of the earth just a large number of such points?

If you do build your theme park and promote it properly I'm sure it will beat raising sheep. You could show a film from a train window crossing from the Urals to Vladivostock. Or an ant's eye view.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 01:44 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

CREATION MUSEUM UPDATE
Quote:
Ministry Blasts 'Gross Misrepresentation' of Creation Museum
(Nathan Black, The Christian Post, August 22, 2010)

"In reality, the Creation Museum is all about the authority of the Bible – from Genesis to Revelation – and that’s what guests learn as they take their 'walk-through history' according to the Scriptures," AiG stated.

It's interesting that they are honest about the true intent of the "Museum", when then Museum itself is a dishonest presentation.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 04:58 pm
@rosborne979,
It must be a terrible cross to carry through life to be indignant at dishonesty.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 05:26 pm
@farmerman,
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How many of them use cannibalism in their daily lives?
How many of them use homosexuality in their daily lives ?
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Im not certain that its "Most".
I AM certain it is not normal to be homosexual.
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How many of them use cannibalism in their daily lives?
Oh, Gomer the Turd, when will you learn to read.
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After all, he reads SMithsonian Magazine
Jealous ? My poor latent homosexual misfit.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 05:28 pm
@Ionus,
I presume you are just up Io. I'm justgoing to bed. Have fun.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 05:28 pm
@farmerman,
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Im thinking of building a flat earth museum, full of all the scientific proof of a flat earth. Then when people come and confront me, I can whine about how they are attacking me and detsroyning my freedoms.
And you would be correct in doing so...they would be "destroyning" your freedoms.
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THeywant to have it all ways.
You mean like homosexuality is normal...which by definition means heterosexuality is not normal. In two oposing views, only one can be normal.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 05:31 pm
@rosborne979,
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In reality, the Creation Museum is all about the authority of the Bible
In reality, the Creation Museum is all about the authority of the twit out the front and their INTERPRETATION of the Bible.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 05:31 pm
@Ionus,
I will take that as an admission that you can't provide any real facts to back it up.

I was willing to admit I might not know something and was looking for a valid source. Instead I get this...
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Most mammalian males will kill and eat offspring that is not theirs on taking over females.
That would be eating someone else's offspring Ionus. I am aware of that. You didn't make that claim however.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 05:32 pm
@spendius,
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I presume you are just up Io. I'm justgoing to bed. Have fun.
I always do...no serious challenges here.... Very Happy
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 05:35 pm
@parados,
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You didn't make that claim however.
I did in my reply. You quoted it. Chimpanzees will kill and eat even their own offspring when returning frustrated from a hunt. Mice will eat their babies when times get hard. The interesting thing is that these mammals are usually vegeterian. In the big cats it is quite common for them to eat their first litter.
parados
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 05:40 pm
@Ionus,
So are you saying this is true or not Ionus?
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Most mammals eat their own offspring. Is that normal and a justification for humans to eat their own children ? Though in the case of Gomer the Turd, we can only hope his parents correct their oversight.


Changing your claim afterwards would likely point to the initial claim not being true. But that's just me I guess. I thought you had some knowledge you would be willing to share with the rest of us. Instead it seems you were just talking out of you a**.
Ionus
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2010 06:07 pm
@parados,
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Changing your claim afterwards would likely point to the initial claim not being true.
Are you now saying homosexuality is not normal ?
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 05:40 am
@Ionus,
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You mean like homosexuality is normal...which by definition means heterosexuality is not normal. In two oposing views, only one can be normal.


In the one the mental images just before the big bang's vinegar stroke are variations of aspects of the characteristics of the Great Goddess. In the other I cannot imagine what they might be but if they do not concern manifestations of the Great Goddess they cannot be considered on the same basis. They are polar opposites. If one is normal the other is abnormal.

It goes without saying, given the Pavlovian science of reinforcing pleasure, that repetitions cause an increasing distance between the divergence of these mental images to such an extent that it becomes impossible for a homosexual to understand heterosexual art productions. And vice versa.

The bi-sexual, or libertine, has a choice of one or other of the mental images irrespective of the mundane circumstances.

The mental image of the Great Goddess can be split into The Terrible Goddess or the Good Nurturing Mother Goddess of Christian theology. Lady MacBeth or Cordelia. Kali or the Virgin Mary.

Hence the absence of condemnation of female homosexuality.

But, like all dynamic mental processes, it is far more complex than that.

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2010 05:43 am
@spendius,
Hence--animals have nothing to do with the matter.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 04:53 am

Research shifts Darwin's theory
Geographic expansion, not competition, the driving force of evolution: study
By Jamie Komarnicki, Postmedia News August 25, 2010 1:11 AM A cornerstone of evolutionary theory -- Darwin's concept later termed the "survival of the fittest" -- is being questioned by researchers at the U.K.'s University of Bristol, who argue that competition isn't the driving force of evolution.

The findings -- published Monday in the scientific journal Biology Letters -- claim though competition has been observed on a small scale, there's little evidence it has guided evolutionary leaps in biodiversity.

Rather, animals diversified by expanding into empty living space, first moving further from water, then "continuing to invade new habitats," argued Sarda Sahney, a Canadian who co-authored the paper, alongside University of Bristol colleagues Michael Benton and Paul Ferry


Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Research+shifts+Darwin+theory/3440213/story.html#ixzz0xcbPi8Nl
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 25 Aug, 2010 06:02 am
@edgarblythe,
But I'm not challenging the teaching of evolution based on what animals do or did. I'm challenging it on the basis that it gives impressionable young students a distorted sense of themselves, their families and their culture. Animals don't do etiquette, tradition, organisation, planning, policy and free choice. They just do what they do.

Specialists at a later age are a different matter. They can be assumed, hopefully, to have a mature approach.
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