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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 01:57 pm
A good museum can be an eye opener. It brings to life the things you've just read about.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 02:04 pm
@edgarblythe,
"Inside the museums infinity goes up on trial.
You can tell Mona Lisa had the highway blues by the way she smiles."

spendius
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 02:04 pm
I needn't source that for you Ed.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 02:07 pm
@spendius,
Much as I love Dylan, he is irrelevant here.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 03:29 pm
@edgarblythe,
I don't see how an atheist can love Dylan.

The quote was not irrelevant. wande did a PR blurb for a museum. Was it spam?

What America's greatest poet said about museums I submit is a relevant response. I still say that the place to "smell the kelp" is where the kelp grows and isn't mediated by a team of commercial exploiters.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 03:32 pm
Mona Lisa didn't have no highway blues.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 03:36 pm
@edgarblythe,
It's an odd sort of smile if you study it with care.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 03:40 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

It's an odd sort of smile if you study it with care.


It's a secret. Don't tell.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 05:12 pm
@edgarblythe,
It's been in the Sunday Times Ed. And it's true too. I can only see it sometimes.

It's no secret. It just isn't mentioned in polite circles.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2010 11:00 pm
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sat 3 Apr, 2010 06:43 am
Josh Rosenau of NCSE has published a law school journal article, "Leap of Faith: Intelligent Design after Dover".

A pdf copy can be found at:
http://www.stthomas.edu/law/programs/studentorgs/organizations/JLPP/Publications/Vol4num1/Rosenau%20formatted.pdf
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 3 Apr, 2010 07:37 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

Josh Rosenau of NCSE has published a law school journal article, "Leap of Faith: Intelligent Design after Dover".

A pdf copy can be found at:
http://www.stthomas.edu/law/programs/studentorgs/organizations/JLPP/Publications/Vol4num1/Rosenau%20formatted.pdf

That article has too many big words in it and was clearly written by an "expert". We common people have to stand up to these "experts" and quit letting them tell us what to do.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 08:56 am
Quote:
Father wants biology book ban
(By Lola Alapo, Knoxville News-Sentinel, April 4, 2010)

A Farragut High School father is appealing the findings of a review committee that recommended the continued use of an honors biology textbook the man said has a questionable description of creationism.

Knox County Schools Superintendent Jim McIntyre is recommending that the Knox County school board hear Kurt Zimmermann’s request. But he’s also asking that the board uphold the review committee’s finding.

The matter will be among discussion items today during the board’s monthly work session. The board votes Wednesday on the appeal.

Zimmermann in December requested that school officials immediately remove the book “Asking About Life” from use in his son’s class as well as from all students’ use because it contains “a clear bias” by the authors against Christianity, according to documentation he submitted to school officials.

On page 319 of the text, the authors describe creationism as “the biblical myth that the universe was created by the Judeo-Christian God in 7 days.”

Zimmermann said the useof the word “myth” could “mislead, belittle and discourage students in believing in creationism and pointedly calls the Bible a myth.”

In place of this material, he recommended that “non-bias textbooks” be used.

Zimmermann could not be reached for comment.

As is protocol, school system officials established a textbook review committee comprising six members, including Farragut’s principal, a biology teacher, a parent and a student.

One reviewer’s first impression of creationism’s definition was similar to Zimmermann’s in that “the authors must be offensively biased against this Christian view of the world,” the reviewer wrote.

“Upon further investigation, however, I quickly realized there is more than one definition of the word ‘myth.’ In this case the word is used appropriately to describe a traditional or legendary story … with or without a natural explanation,” the reviewer wrote.

Another said the word “myth” has many uses and could be misinterpreted in the context of the book. The reviewer noted that “the author tends to ‘sensationalize’ a few concepts … possibly to stir one’s interest in the subject matter.”

A third said the writers used the word “myth” “for shock value.”

But the reviewers did not deem the material questionable and said they did not think the book should be banned.

The school board now must decide whether to affirm or revoke the committee’s findings.

McIntyre said, “I believe the outcome in this instance was appropriate.”

He added that this is the first time in his almost two-year tenure as superintendent that a parent has asked for a textbook ban.

“I think it’s relatively rare for it to come up before the board of education,” he said.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 10:42 am
@wandeljw,
I don't know whether Adrian Desmond and James Moore are professors or not but judging from their Acknowledgements in their book Darwin I imagine that they are.

Writing about Robert Edmond Grant, a significant influence on Darwin as a student at Edinburgh they write--

Quote:
Nothing was sacred to Grant. As a freethinker, he saw no spiritual power behind nature's throne. The origin and evolution of life were due simply to physical and chemical forces, all obeying natural laws. Like his French heroes, the maligned Jean-Baptiste Lamark and Etienne Geoffrey St Hilaire--evolutionists both--he believed that a new imaginative vision was needed. But evolution was almost universally condemned by Church and scientific authorities. It was castigated as morally degenerate and subversive. Were men* to see themselves as brutes, they would act accordingly. God was the arch-paternalist, working through patrician priests; His beneficence flowed from His Church into society. If nature and culture were self-evolving, if the clergy could not point to miraculously created species as a sign of His power operating from above, the Church's legitimacy was undermined. The logic was stark-- even if it was rarely spelled out. The day people accepted that nature and society evolved unaided, the Church would crash, the moral fabric of society would be torn apart, and civilized man would return to savagery.


* Whether women weren't included because they are already considered brutes or because even the hint that they might be was considered ungallant I am not qualified to offer an opinion on.

And the logic is as stark today as it was then.

The Knox County Schools Superintendent might consider that.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 02:03 pm
@wandeljw,
Very Happy Im smiling because spendi has an on-line version of Desmond and Moore. Probably needs every pfennig to buy his IPA's
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 02:08 pm
@wandeljw,
I agree that the text is needlessly offensive. The best way for a science text to address creationism is to ignore it, not to comment on it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 02:21 pm
@Setanta,
Quote:
creationism as “the biblical myth that the universe was created by the Judeo-Christian God in 7 days.”
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OR as one senior high biology text states.
Quote:

"Creationism was the prevailing theory concerning the origin and devlopment of life before the 20th century. In Creationism, which is derived from a Biblical account in Genesis 1:1, The earth was created and populated with all lifeforms in a single seven day period. Many religious doctrines still rely upon this theory as true and complete, however, geological and biological sciences, since the time of Darwin have presented evidence that life on the planet is related to all other life and that the main stems of these lifeforms actually did evolve and ants and alligators, sparrows and asparagus are all related by their biochemical barcode"


Ill bet this last one went through a committee
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 02:45 pm
@farmerman,
Is there an on-line version somewhere fm? I typed that lot out I'll have you know. I did look for one online. I'm not averse to taking advantage of the facilities. Point me towards one if you will be so kind.

As it is, your theory is incorrect.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 02:55 pm
@farmerman,
Yes--alright. We've read all that before. It says nothing about the possibility raised in--

Quote:
If nature and culture were self-evolving, if the clergy could not point to miraculously created species as a sign of His power operating from above, the Church's legitimacy was undermined. The logic was stark-- even if it was rarely spelled out. The day people accepted that nature and society evolved unaided, the Church would crash, the moral fabric of society would be torn apart, and civilized man would return to savagery.


It's a mighty risk just so you can look to be ahead in your thinking. It's hardly a big sacrifice to let the clergy point to miraculously created species as a sign of His power operating from above. It hasn't been so bad I don't reckon. I can't see why it bothers you so much. You must have some mighty axe to grind to recommend us taking the risk.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 5 Apr, 2010 04:10 pm
@spendius,
do what I didi and clip your post and put it all into google and the firwt return is the entire on line version of Desmond/Moore.

HAVE I CREATED A MONSTER?
 

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