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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 09:12 pm
It is unconstitutional, but in another state with a similar law (from the above article):

While it appears that Texas candidates have never been challenged based on the clause, a similar law in North Carolina is causing controversy regarding one Asheville city councilman.

Cecil Bothwell assumed office on Dec. 14, only to hear an outcry from a group of conservative activists. Those activists are requesting Bothwell, an atheist and member of the Unitarian Universalist Church, be removed from office based on a clause in North Carolina's Constitution that disqualifies officeholders “who shall deny the being of Almighty God.”
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 08:25 am
@edgarblythe,
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Every generation shrugs off bits of the past.


About 70 generations have been trying the shrug off Paganism and often with rather extreme shrugging and it is still alive and on the up and up. Atheism facilitates its comeback.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 10:28 am
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Threats to religious liberty in 2009: mountains and molehills
(By Charles C. Haynes, First Amendment Center, Commentary, 12.20.09)

A very bad year for religious liberty got worse earlier this month when the Russian Supreme Court upheld a regional court ruling prohibiting Jehovah’s Witnesses from gathering to worship and banning their publications as “extremist” literature.

Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia are not alone. As documented by the U.S. State Department’s 2009 report on International Religious Freedom released in October, conditions are bleak for tens of millions of people around the world who are facing persecution, imprisonment and even death for doing nothing more than following their conscience in matters of faith.

Meanwhile in the United States, we are busy fighting over the utterance of “so help me God” on the Capitol steps. On Dec. 15, the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia heard oral arguments in the case of Newdow v. Roberts, a lawsuit challenging the chief justice of the United States for tacking on a mention of God to the presidential oath as well as prayers at presidential inaugurations.

What counts as a threat to religious liberty, it would appear, depends largely on where you live.

Truth be told, most religious people around the world would give anything to live in a country where the top 10 religious-liberty news stories of 2009 include disputes over Christian-themed license plates, Ten Commandments monuments on public property, and a lonely cross in the middle of the Mojave Desert.

Not to belittle our American battles, but let’s keep them in perspective. While we argue over whether to crèche or not to crèche in a public school lobby, leaders of the Baha’i faith languish in an Iranian prison, members of the Falun Gong are imprisoned and tortured in China, Jews are harassed in Venezuela, Christians are attacked in Iraq " and the list goes on across the globe.

Of course, just because church-state conflicts at home look like molehills when juxtaposed to the mountains of religious persecution abroad doesn’t mean that our debates in the U.S. don’t matter. On the contrary, arguments over such issues as religious displays in government settings or state funding for faith-based initiatives are a necessary and inevitable part of the ongoing work of defining what it means to live free from government imposition of religion under the First Amendment.

Having said that, Americans sue way too much. Instead of doing more to seek common ground on the constitutional role of religion in public life, we often allow extreme (and angry) voices to dominate the debate. Calling the lawyer should be the last resort, not the first recourse.

Our incessant legal fights are symptomatic of deep divisions in the United States along religious and ideological lines. In 2009, the fissures widened as religious forces on both sides battled it out over same-sex marriage, one side winning in Maine and the other side victorious in Washington, D.C. And then there was the killing of abortion provider Dr. George Tiller last May, a horrific reminder that culture wars can turn violent.

In many nations, government is the major threat to religious liberty. But in the United States, we are often our own worst enemy. I worry less about government entanglement with religion and more about Americans tangling with one another over religion.

What’s most disturbing about our religion-fueled fights is the level of intolerance directed at minority religious groups. Earlier this month, for example, mosques in Los Angeles and Sacramento, Calif., were vandalized. Last month, similar incidents took place in Oregon and North Carolina. In fact, not a month went by in 2009 without attacks on Islamic places of worship and reports of other hate crimes directed at Muslim Americans.

As bad as that sounds, the most frequent targets of religion-based hate crimes in the U.S. are not Muslims, but Jews. According to the FBI hate-crimes report released last month, 1,013 of the 1,519 reported crimes targeting religious groups or individuals in 2008 " more than 66% " were directed against Jews and Jewish institutions. Tragically, anti-Semitism, one of the oldest and most pernicious problems in our society, persists in 21st century America.

Still, with all of our challenges, the U.S. at the close of 2009 remains the most successful experiment in religious liberty in history. But the fact that conditions for freedom are better here than over there is no cause for year-end celebration. Molehills of intolerance and anger, if left unattended, can grow into mountains of conflict and division.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 10:54 am
@wandeljw,
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Having said that, Americans sue way too much.
Depends on which side of a Constitutional issue we all sit.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 02:27 pm
@farmerman,
I can't recall that many lawsuits -- true, the few have drawn some publicity but it's not front page stuff except for a school or local community newspaper. Well, and it's fodder for the blog entries on Discovery Institute. They have a field day -- you'd think the world was coming to an end if they don't get what they want. So applying "Americans sue way too much" (which wouldn't get by my English teachers' red pencil) to the debate is really a moot point.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 03:14 pm
@wandeljw,
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Still, with all of our challenges, the U.S. at the close of 2009 remains the most successful experiment in religious liberty in history.


The Romans tolerated religious freedom for long periods although the Isis cult was an exception and its votaries had to be content with short sharp bursts.

Notice Mr Haynes is careful to say "so far". Close of 2009.

I would take Mr Haynes to task on the matter of his placing religion in the frame for causing the frictions he mentions to the exclusion of other factors which are often connected to a religion for various reasons at the first remove.

It allows his understandable plea for sanity and sweet reason to evade those other factors and if they are the main factors he has not addressed the issue of the violence but only seems to have done. In which case all we are left with is that Mr Haynes is a sane and reasonable person and thus worthy of our admiration. A fine liberal.

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Having said that, Americans sue way too much.


I might dispute the assertion of a partisan position (anti-lawyer) but I think the English is satisfactory. It's an efficient sentence.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 04:20 pm
@edgarblythe,
Way, way, way, way too much. You're ridiculous.

(A composition grammatical error a sophomore would be ashamed of).
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 04:28 pm
@Lightwizard,
How would you have expressed the thought Wiz?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 04:34 pm
I wouldn't express it like a Valley Girl after four drinks.

It's "too much", "way too much." Apparently you've missed all of our American films featuring Valley Girls -- it's the kind of teenage bilge that is way, way, way, too much overused. Way to go.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 06:01 pm
@Lightwizard,
No, no Wiz!! You were asked to express the thought in a more correct manner.

It is not intellectually satisfactory to claim what you did and then fail to offer an alternative which your English teachers would have approved of.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 06:02 pm
@spendius,
Are you mentally handicapped?
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 06:08 pm
@Lightwizard,
Yes.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 06:46 pm
"Having said that, Americans sue way too much."

First of all "having said that" has been abused to death on TV political commentary shows -- it's now in the category of speech affectation.

"Much" does not need an adverb or adjective, and way too much is totally incorrect. "Far too much" would be closer to acceptable compositional English, but most teacher would gig one for using it. "Americans sue too much" or "Americans sue to excess," are both more acceptable. Much more (sic).

If the writer is an airhead Valley Girl in disguise, I would understand it, but the entire article is badly written.

Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 06:58 pm
@Lightwizard,
In other words, it's not horrible grammar but it's common, very awkward English.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 06:59 pm
@Lightwizard,
What about "not too much more" there is an expression that can be blamed for my insanity all by itself. Drunk As someone who had to teach english, at one stage of a bewildering mulfi-faceted career.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 07:00 pm
@Ionus,
Laughing Or very too much?
Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 22 Dec, 2009 07:05 pm
@Lightwizard,
"not too much more" - quality thrown in with quantity, whilst employing the negative of an excessive unstated amount/degree. Just what the bloody hell are people trying to say ??????
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Dec, 2009 05:12 am
@Lightwizard,
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but the entire article is badly written.


That's what I had said. The article was posited on a non sequitur: that religion can be isolated from other aspects of life and then blamed for the violence which those other aspects cause.

I presume that your pedantic focus on "Having said that, Americans sue way too much" is a ridiculous attempt to assert an expert knowledge of English usage, which has backfired, and a cheap sophistry in the service of evading the extended non sequitur because your general position also stands on a similar wobbly foundation.

It is much more important for A2Kers to be abled to know how the non sequitur can be exploited to confuse them than to bother about your criticism of an efficient sentence which you can't justify.

I thought "entire" pointless.

The article was well written enough to disguise the non sequitur and thus disguise the intention to confuse.

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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 23 Dec, 2009 05:46 am
@Lightwizard,
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I can't recall that many lawsuits -- true, the few have drawn some publicity but it's not front page stuff except for a school or local community newspaper. Well, and it's fodder for the blog entries on Discovery Institute. They have a field day -- you'd think the world was coming to an end if they don't get what they want. So applying "Americans sue way too much" (which wouldn't get by my English teachers' red pencil) to the debate is really a moot point.


The article obliquely refered to our penchent for litigation period. That is a fact. We are the most litigious society on the planet because , TA DAAA, WE CAN!.

Our insurance rates for E/O is a world leader . WHen an engineering firm must pay E/O insurance equal to about 10% of its income, I find that outrageous but necessary to save my own ass. Being self insured today in my practice is a natural invitation to a suit. So most of us dont even attempt to accrue huge "Insurance" reserves for anything other than working cap.

I see much too much litigation over contractual issues . SO, to even TAKE the " establishment clause" to court over 10 times in the last 70 years is reinforcement of that statement wrt Creation in the schools(IMHO). The fact that we could not settle the issue to anyones satisfaction until the whole thing was tried, I find semi unbelievable. There had been an average of 1.5 cases brought before state and fed courts on the establishment and free expression clauses in each decade since 1920. You dont find that excessive?

However, depending on which side I sit on, I am greatful that I have such relief available. Otherwise Id be like spendi, just sitting and carping over our apparent freedoms while never attempting to understand their history and purposes. (Id rather be the one with the boundless freedom than the one whose freedoms are bounded)
wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 23 Dec, 2009 05:47 am
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What, If Anything, Can Skeptics Say About Science?
(by Daniel Loxton, Skepticblog, Dec 22 2009)

As many skeptics know by now, legendary skeptical trailblazer James Randi set off a firestorm last week with two Swift blog posts about global warming. His first post carried his strong suspicion that consensus science on climate change is incorrect, while his followup post wondered “whether we can properly assign the cause to anthropogenic influences.”

Skeptical bloggers were swift to respond. Critics (including PZ Myers, Orac, Sean Carroll, and James Hrynyshyn) chastised Randi for speaking outside his domain expertise; for dissenting from current consensus science; and for lending his name to the disreputable “Oregon Petition Project.” Others, like Phil Plait, corrected Randi while sensibly reminding us that “anyone, everyone, is capable of making mistakes.” And, inevitably, global warming deniers seized upon the event. (One headline, at Britain’s Telegraph.co.uk, gleefully crowed “James Randi forced to recant by Warmist thugs for showing wrong kind of scepticism.”)

But, of the many posts to respond to Randi, two in particular caught my attention. SkeptiCamp pioneer Reed Esau asked, "So what happens now? That uneasy feeling you are now experiencing may be the implications of the situation setting in. … Most of us are laymen who don’t have the professional experience and analytical skills to properly evaluate the data and the methods. To pretend we do (or to reject it on a hunch) separates us from the very scientific enterprise we skeptics purport to value."

Similarly, according to Skeptical Inquirer columnist Massimo Pigliucci, “we need to pause and think carefully about the entire skeptical movement in light of episodes like this one.”

I’ve long argued that our patchy, lukewarm reluctance to accept mainstream climate science is skepticism’s greatest failure. I’ll return to that argument in future posts, but today I’d like to concentrate on the general question raised by Esau and Pigliucci: what is skepticism’s appropriate relationship to consensus science? What " if anything " may skeptics responsibly say on mainstream science subjects?

Organized skepticism has always talked about science. Certainly, we use science-informed arguments when critiquing paranormal claims. We use techniques from science (and from other investigatory disciplines, such as history and journalism) when digging into strange stuff. The promotion of scientific literacy is also a core part of our traditional mandate (as I argued in the essay “Where Do We Go From Here?”).

Nonetheless, it’s my opinion that there are severe limits on the kinds of scientific arguments into which skeptics may responsibly wade. If we’re serious about our science-based epistemology, we must be prepared to consistently defer to scientific consensus. As Esau puts it, "That consistency is essential, because without it people like myself will ask “So, what’s the point?” To waver from that consistency risks calling the entire enterprise into question."

The simple truth is that many skeptics have limited scientific qualifications. Yes, of course, there are towering, world-class scientists in the skeptical camp. But most skeptics are not working scientists. Even skeptics who do have scientific qualifications are frequently called upon to comment outside of their area of domain expertise. (Think of astronomer Phil Plait commenting on vaccines, or neurologist Steve Novella commenting on evolution.)

At the same time, people turn to skeptical media to find out what’s really true about weird things " sometimes life and death things, as in alternative medicine. Skeptics solicit that trust. We make the implicit (and sometimes explicit) promise that we are able to provide the nuanced, objective, evidence-based facts.

That combination of stated commitment to science, limited qualifications, and weighty ethical responsibilities (as when we comment on medicine) place a very high due diligence burden upon skeptics.

So, with last week’s firestorm as a cautionary tale, I’d like to propose some rules of thumb for skeptical discussion of mainstream science:

1) Where both scientific domain expertise and expert consensus exist, skeptics are (at best) straight science journalists. We can report the consensus, communicate findings in their proper context " and that’s it.

Skeptical resources spent on mainstream science journalism are resources taken away from our core mandate (pseudoscience and the paranormal " a mandate no one else has), although science popularization is of course valuable in itself when done responsibly. (My upcoming book is a straightforward kids’ primer on evolution.) But skeptics who do delve into science reporting should consider themselves obligated to stay close to mainstream expert opinion " and, obligated to solicit fact-checking and criticism from actual scientific experts.

Unfortunately, some lay skeptics have the idea that general critical thinking skills qualify them to critique professional science even in the face of wide agreement among domain experts. I submit that this is hubris " and almost always a mistake. (It is also the exact argument that sustains anti-vaccine activism, creationism, and other fringe positions whose examples we might wish to avoid.)

In my previous career as a shepherd, we had a term for a very similar (and almost inevitable) phenomenon: “Rookie Syndrome.” Raw trainee shepherds would arrive in camp, look at sheep for a couple days, and then start to argue with the experienced hands. Why they thought a cursory glance qualified them to challenge domain experts is anyone’s guess, but it happened all the time. With some basic, introductory experience (say, two or three years), they typically became embarrassed about the arrogance and naiveté of their first weeks " during which they had known too little to even realize what they did not know.

Whether it’s sheep, law, stage magic, aircraft maintenance, Shakespeare scholarship, or a scientific discipline, every field has its specialized literature, skills, and knowledge base that take years of work to acquire. In any complex field, such domain expertise is essential to form a qualified opinion. And in most such fields, Rookie Syndrome " armchair quarterbacking " is common.

2) Where scientific domain expertise exists, but not consensus, we can report that a controversy exists " but we cannot resolve it. As Bertrand Russell put it, "when the experts are…not agreed, no opinion can be regarded as certain by a non-expert; and… when they all hold that no sufficient grounds for a positive opinion exist, the ordinary man would do well to suspend his judgment."

Skeptics sometimes stumble badly here: we cannot, as laypeople, responsibly wade into an area in which we are not expert and expect to settle expert controversies.

If we’re not qualified, we should not promote our opinions. If we are qualified, we should attempt to convince our fellow experts in the relevant peer-reviewed literature " not skip peer review to make popular appeals in the popular (skeptical) press.

3) Where scientific domain expertise and consensus exist, but also a denier movement or pseudoscientific fringe, skeptics can finally roll up their sleeves and get to work.

This is traditional ground for us, our bread and butter, as when we combat creationism or vaccine paranoia or AIDS denial. But note that there are two distinct components to critiquing fringe movements: knowledge of pseudoscience (our own area of domain expertise); and knowledge of the contrasting body of actual scientific literature " a literature on which we are not typically expert.

On the straight science component, we are obligated to defer to the current state of the science. On the pseudoscience component, we are often able to make a contribution in our capacity as the best available experts.

Consider the example of debating creationism. In the past, creationists typically ran rings around biologists. This was not because scientists lacked knowledge of science, but because scientists lacked specialized knowledge of nonsense. That’s where we came in. The history and rhetoric of nonsense is a specialized niche arena " our arena. Skeptics perform an essential public service when we concentrate on that.

This is our primary realm:

4) Where a paranormal or pseudoscientific topic has enthusiasts but no legitimate experts, skeptics may perform original research, advance new theories, and publish in the skeptical press.

This practically endless assortment of traditional skeptical topics (from Nessie to pyramid power to astrology to iridology to UFO crashes to psychic surgery) is where we should focus our energy. In these areas, our contribution is unique, valuable " and, I have argued, an ethical obligation. There are hundreds of topics under this vast umbrella, so it’s not like this “narrow” mandate for skepticism doesn’t offer us enough to do!

In this shadowy, fringe realm, skeptics can indeed critique working scientists. There is no mainstream of consensus science on, say, ghosts; skeptics are the relevant domain experts. And, just as we stumble when we venture outside of our expertise, so too will scientists who charge blindly into our own speciality.

And what are the most powerful, most illuminating, most enduring examples of skeptics schooling credentialed scientists and prestigious mainstream media? Exactly those demonstrations " such as the epic Project Alpha and Carlos hoaxes " brought to us by James “The Amazing” Randi.
 

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