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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 Dec, 2009 11:03 am
But there's a theory relating to the management of society which posits the notion that a strictly scientific education, and there's no neutral ground, is damaging to that society and it claims that the importance of that management outweighs, by some distance, the pedantically and narrowly correct claims you are making and that the benefits of science can be provided by a small number of specialists who have personality types, nerdies mainly, which benefit from your ideas being drilled into them as if they represent ultimate wisdom and thus permitting them to live by certainties read off instruments rather than having to deal with the remaining facts of life which can't be looked up in a book and used as a pedestal upon which to stand their dignity.

And the evidence that the theory has wide approval can be seen from the fact that scientists rarely, if ever, reach the higher political offices to sighs of relief all round down here in the seething masses where the logistics for scientific activity are generated.

One only has to imagine an elite political class of scientists running things and a shudder reflex kicks in.

edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 20 Dec, 2009 11:05 am
@spendius,
There you go again, spendi. Schools teach more than science classes. Post wasted.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 20 Dec, 2009 11:08 am
@edgarblythe,
quite. MAny kids even learn the Malthusian doctrine by screwing up on their wood shop projects.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 20 Dec, 2009 11:14 am
@farmerman,
The attempt to make scientific theory a synonym of guessing, postulating, day dreaming, and even lying is part of the Creationuts and IDiots playing the Devil's Advocate. Notice that's "Devil's," not "God's." Not all those who want to believe in the Creation or Intelligent Design are nuts or idiots, but they generally do, at least, practice mostly sweet silence regarding it. My experience with those who are religious people I know, including friends, family, clerics, is a short mention of their belief and a respect that I do not really need to get into any debate with them about it (even though, from time to time and because they ask, I've given them links online or suggest books to read and it always ends there whether or not they become lazy and not follow up on the reading or not -- there's no impending pop quiz). One specific thing they are nearly always ignorant of is the Catholic church's position on evolution, but that could be a comedy show panel skit stigma (although they likely aren't an idiot at what they do for a living or tipping at a restaurant, they are ambivalent towards the debate of religions and evolution).
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 20 Dec, 2009 12:03 pm
@Lightwizard,
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My experience with those who are religious people I know, including friends, family, clerics, is a short mention of their belief and a respect that I do not really need to get into any debate with them about it


I presume you chit-chat about the weather then and what's the best curry. It is one way to have a whole ****-load of acquaintances I suppose. They can hardly be friends if you are tip-toeing around each other on eggshells.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 20 Dec, 2009 12:12 pm
Laughing -- as if all my friends and relatives are religious and all of them have nothing to discuss with me but the weather and cooking. It's about that time for you, isn't it? Drunk But, then, I suppose you don't drink on the Sabbath.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 20 Dec, 2009 08:33 pm
The December 15, 2009 issue of The Onion features the "Top 10 Stories of the Last 4.5 Billion Years". Here is story #5 on their list:
Quote:
Sumerians Look On In Confusion As God Creates World

Members of the earth's earliest known civilization, the Sumerians, looked on in shock and confusion some 6,000 years ago as God, the Lord Almighty, created Heaven and Earth.

According to recently excavated clay tablets inscribed with cuneiform script, thousands of Sumerians"the first humans to establish systems of writing, agriculture, and government"were working on their sophisticated irrigation systems when the Father of All Creation reached down from the ether and blew the divine spirit of life into their thriving civilization.

"I do not understand," reads an ancient line of pictographs depicting the sun, the moon, water, and a Sumerian who appears to be scratching his head. "A booming voice is saying, 'Let there be light,' but there is already light. It is saying, 'Let the earth bring forth grass,' but I am already standing on grass."

"Everything is here already," the pictograph continues. "We do not need more stars."

Historians believe that, immediately following the biblical event, Sumerian witnesses returned to the city of Eridu, a bustling metropolis built 1,500 years before God called for the appearance of dry land, to discuss the new development. According to records, Sumerian farmers, priests, and civic administrators were not only befuddled, but also took issue with the face of God moving across the water, saying that He scared away those who were traveling to Mesopotamia to participate in their vast and intricate trade system.

Moreover, the Sumerians were taken aback by the creation of the same animals and herb-yielding seeds that they had been domesticating and cultivating for hundreds of generations.

"The Sumerian people must have found God's making of heaven and earth in the middle of their well-established society to be more of an annoyance than anything else," said Paul Helund, ancient history professor at Cornell University. "If what the pictographs indicate are true, His loud voice interrupted their ancient prayer rituals for an entire week."

According to the cuneiform tablets, Sumerians found God's most puzzling act to be the creation from dust of the first two human beings.

"These two people made in his image do not know how to communicate, lack skills in both mathematics and farming, and have the intellectual capacity of an infant," one Sumerian philosopher wrote. "They must be the creation of a complete idiot."
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 20 Dec, 2009 08:43 pm
@wandeljw,
wandel, Thanks for the good laugh for the day.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Sun 20 Dec, 2009 08:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I thought it was great, also. One of the funniest The Onion has had in a long time.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 03:17 am
Someone has been playing with the thumbs on this thread. I went back and tried to make corrections. Normally, I do not use thumbs.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 05:21 am
@wandeljw,
what do you mean? did someone vote this down?? (Ill get on it. Well put a universal patch on everyones ISP and see whose posted under which handle and when, Itll take time but Ill bet its someone who's a little snakey.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 05:46 am
@farmerman,
I voted it back up.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 06:03 am
@edgarblythe,
I got it up to 37 yea's. I hope this doesnt start some Creationist dust-up
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 08:34 am
@wandeljw,
What a silly, trite and juvenile little piece of amateur satire that Onion piece is

It is posited on a literal interpretation of the language of the Bible and is thus similar to the YEC's view.

Quote:
Light is electromagnetic radiation, particularly radiation of a wavelength that is visible to the human eye (about 400"700 nm, or perhaps 380"750 nm. In physics, the term light sometimes refers to electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength, whether visible or not.


If one takes the proper intellectual view of having "seen the light" and seen it in the mind's eye, as Einstein did, a more adult understanding might prevail although I very much doubt it as the whole of the anti-IDer's stance rests upon the use of literal interpretations as a straw man or, as I prefer to say, a carefully positioned sitting duck.

Which light it is is open to debate. Meditations upon the Venus of Willendorf is one possibility but it is likely that in a feminised zietgeist such considerations will be on Ignore.

A less controversial alternative is having seen the light relating to the development of script and its potential for effects at a distance
(television on might almost say).

Both possibilities involve the necessity to draw a line under the "past" and thus to invent it in a manner less damaging to the self-respect of those to whom self-respect is important.

The Pythonesque method of never allowing anything sacred to remain unknocked is always popular with the uneducated and powerless lower middle-classes but it can easily lead to a strongly felt urge to undergo psychoanalysis and other strategies of shame reduction.
Francis
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 08:50 am
Spendius wrote:
Meditations upon the Venus of Willendorf is one possibility but it is likely that in a feminised zietgeist such considerations will be on Ignore.

I'm going to take my zeit to ponder if gestalt applies to such callipygian Venuses....
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 08:51 am
@spendius,
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What a silly, trite and juvenile little piece of amateur satire that Onion piece is
The ability to laugh at anything funny is directly proportional to intelligence. Sorry for your inability to be amused . Perhaps the allele for your ability to laugh wound up on the bedsheets.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 08:54 am
@Francis,
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I'm going to take my zeit to ponder if gestalt applies to such callipygian Venuses....


Does this peplos make my ass look big?
Francis
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 09:02 am
@farmerman,
Hey, give me zeit, I have to ponder!!!
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 09:04 am
FM wrote:
Does this peplos make my ass look big?

Well, a bit ponderous, maybe...
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 21 Dec, 2009 11:01 am
@Francis,
The only ponderous ass amongst this group resides in GB.
 

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