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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 05:47 pm
@edgarblythe,
Which of necessity includes my very self.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 17 Nov, 2009 06:20 pm
@Lightwizard,
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Sigh.


You can sigh all you want Wiz and it won't make a shite of difference.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 12:49 pm
ADVENTIST UNIVERSITY UPDATE
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La Sierra University debate over creationism continues
(By DAVID OLSON, The Press Enterprise, November 17, 2009)

Supporters of an effort to require Riverside's La Sierra University to teach Biblical creationism alongside evolution in biology classes say the university's vow to promote creationist beliefs does not go far enough in addressing their concerns.

More than 6,300 people from across the country have signed an online petition expressing concern that evolution is presented as fact at La Sierra and other Seventh-day Adventist universities.

La Sierra's board of trustees last week unanimously voted to endorse Adventist beliefs that the world was created in six 24-hour days and said the teaching of evolution must be "within the context of the Adventist belief regarding creation."

The board also proposed that all 15 North American Adventist universities develop a curriculum that includes a "scientifically rigorous affirmation" of Adventist creation beliefs.

"It is calling for a church-wide conversation on this subject," said La Sierra President Randal Wisbey, who is a university trustee.

The board asked the Association of Adventist Colleges and Universities to create a committee that includes the president and two science faculty members of the 15 universities, as well as representatives from the Adventist church's education office.

The presidents of the universities plan to discuss the proposal when they meet in February, said Fred Kinsey, spokesman for the North American division of the Adventist Church.

Shane Hilde, the Beaumont man spearheading the petition drive, said he will be satisfied only when Adventist creation beliefs are presented as the preferred world view in classes in which evolution is discussed.

"To me, this is a positive statement, but that's what it is, just a statement," Hilde said of the board resolutions. "They didn't do anything about how to hold employees accountable for representing the church's position."

Other petition signatories wrote posts on Hilde's Web site accusing the board of a "ploy" to avoid making changes to La Sierra biology classes.

The 1,900-student university has long had a senior-level biology class that discusses the intersection of religion and science and includes a presentation on Adventist creation beliefs, said university spokesman Larry Becker. In response to the complaints about the teaching of evolution, La Sierra this semester added a similar freshman-level seminar that is required of all biology students.

Hilde and others say Adventist beliefs must be integrated into all classes in which evolution is discussed. He said faculty statements that God created everything in the world are insufficient, because they don't specifically endorse Adventist beliefs.

The Catholic Church and other Christian denominations teach that evolution -- which has been the overwhelming scientific consensus for decades -- is not incompatible with Biblical teachings.

The Seventh-day Adventist church is among the denominations that specifically state that creation occurred in six literal days, and that the world was created several thousand years ago, not billions of years ago.

The chairman of the La Sierra biology department, professor James Wilson, declined to comment, referring questions on the matter to Wisbey. The three biology professors at the center of the controversy have also declined to comment.

Wisbey said the role of the board is to provide general oversight of La Sierra, not to determine how each professor teaches each class.

"The board is going to be very reluctant to go to that level of oversight," Wisbey said.

Ricardo Graham, chairman of the board and president of the Pacific Union Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, which includes California, agreed. He said the board did not want to act rashly.

"We want to be very careful, deliberative and cautious in how we go about this," said Graham, who expressed full support for how Wisbey has handled the controversy.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 12:53 pm
@wandeljw,
wandel, That's one of many reasons why all my siblings are Adventist (married to Adventist), and I'm a atheist (married to a Buddhist).
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 03:55 pm
If I had to join a religion, it would be Buddhism, possibly for the Zen.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 04:02 pm
@edgarblythe,
The Zen Tea?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 04:05 pm
@Lightwizard,
Do they play golf? Didn't know.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 05:55 pm
@Lightwizard,
No; zen million dollars.
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 10:09 am
UPDATE ON CREATIONIST EDITION OF DARWIN BOOK
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Christians distribute Darwin books at MSU
(Mike Penprase, Springfield News-Leader, November 19, 2009)

As she waited for a shuttle in front of Plaster Student Union at Missouri State University, student Robyn Williams almost turned down the offer of a free book.

Williams said she'd accepted so many Bibles from curbside evangelists working in front of the student union that she didn't need another.

But the book offered to her Wednesday was different.

When Williams discovered the book was Charles Darwin's "Origin of Species," she accepted it.

"He said it was a very good introduction, and it helped explain it," Williams said of the man who gave her the book.

The text of the book --still seen by some 150 years after it was first published as an attack on the Biblical explanation of creationism --is unchanged from the original, the people distributing the book say.

But the edition from Bridge Logos includes a 50-page introduction by Christian author Ray Comfort, who takes a creationist and Christian stance to question the validity of Darwin's theory of evolution.

Williams had no qualms about accepting the book.

"I believe they can coexist, that one isn't necessarily more right than the other, that they can work together," she said of evolutionary theory outlined in "Origin of Species" and creationist advocates who argue a higher power created life.

Comfort notes in an afterward that atheists are so upset about his introduction that they advocate ripping it from the book.

On his Living Waters ministry Web site, Comfort announced the reaction from atheists prompted him to stop giving interviews.

There seemed to be little controversy or debate about the giveaway of 1,000 copies at MSU during the lunch hour on a cloudy, cold day.

Greg Marlin coordinated the Springfield distribution that was part of what has been described as a nationwide distribution of 170,000 copies of Darwin's book at universities across the country.

Affiliated with Springfield-based Born Of Him Ministries, Marlin helped organize the give-away in cooperation with groups as varied as the Chinese Christian Student Association and the Monett Ministerial Alliance. Thirty volunteers helped hand out the books.

For his part, Marlin said he couldn't recall ever holding a copy of Origin of Species before the book distribution.

Several students taking copies said they'd done little more than read short sections or excerpts of Darwin's book.

"I'm not sure it's something I'd read cover-to-cover," MSU student Andrew Sherman told Marlein.

"It's something you should have on your bookshelf as a reference."

Giveaway volunteer Charlie McCord of Purdy said he'd be pleased if just a few students read Comfort's introduction.

"If one person's life has been changed because of all this, that's one person's life that has been affected," he said.

MSU biology professor John Heywood said he has a concern about what he considers a creationist strategy to use Darwin's words to criticize evolutionary theory.

"If they want to hand out creationist literature, they should be upfront, rather than camouflage it," he said.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 11:45 am
@wandeljw,
Roy Comfort, who collaborated with has-been teen actor Kirk Cameron (still in his paper bag), began a ministry a few years back in Bellflower, CA and has been a cable TV host. He has absolutely no theological education, including coming up to ranks through any established church, and is a born-again creationist. He offered $ 10,000 (of his or parishioner's money?) to Richard Dawkins for a debate -- through a third party journalist. Although I have my doubts about Dawkin's methods of promoting atheism (it being a personal choice and not something to be proselytized), this would be like my local state senator asking for a debate with President Obama for $ 10,000. This guy is an obscure nobody, trying to self-promote by leaguing up with a former teen bad actor who has slightly more notoriety and writing this pathetic attempt at inserting a proselytizing preface to a book that is a scientific masterpiece. Why not offer a Bible with a preface by Richard Dawkins?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 11:48 am
@Lightwizard,
A bible with a preface from Dawkins would be an interesting one, but we all know that isn't going to happen. LOL
wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 12:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
P. Z. Myers sometimes threatened to go to summer bible camps and teach evolution to kids whose parents want creationism taught in public schools.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 12:42 pm
@Lightwizard,
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He has absolutely no theological education,


How would you define a "theological education" Wiz. You must know what it is in order to be so sure the guy hasn't got one.

I'll challenge Dawkins to a public debate. Anytime.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 02:27 pm
@spendius,
Here's a bit of red meat. It's by Dr. David Stafford Clark-

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In essence, Freud dismissed the idea of God as an illusion, created by humanity to comfort them in the face of their helplessness when they have outgrown their parents. Original sin and a sense of guilt, he said, were in fact related to the primitive and inherited shame, going back to the original act of murder described in Totem and Taboo, when the sons of the tribe rebelled against the father-leader, killing him to gain possession of the women. Freud was no longer disposed to argue whether this was likely, or acceptable. Upon this thesis he based the dual contention that religion was in fact an illusion, and ought to be abandoned, while at the same time concluding, frankly and reluctantly, that mankind was not yet ready for the challenge implied by this liberation from superstition. Indeed, he commented sadly, the worship of God and belief in an absolute system of values belonging to Him was perhaps a necessary fiction to preserve some semblance of law and order until the human race had advanced sufficiently in wisdom to do without any of the illusions to which it had hitherto clung.


What makes anti-IDers think we are ready? Because they say so I suppose. Which is why they keep going around wande's little roundabout in order to get a chance to say so again and again.

What is them saying so based upon?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 08:10 pm
Quoted from http://calladus.blogspot.com/2007/05/background-on-ray-comfort-and-kirk.html

Ray Comfort is a pastor at the Calvary Chapel Fellowship. The Calvary Chapel doctrine believes in the holy Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Ghost) and they believe that the Bible is inerrant. They believe in the Rapture, the time of Tribulation, the Second Coming of Christ, and in Christ’s thousand-year reign as King of the Earth.

The structure of the Calvary Chapel Fellowship is that just about any church that follows Calvary Chapel doctrine can join in the fellowship. Calvary Chapel doesn’t require any seminary training of its pastors " which is a good thing since Ray Comfort has no formal training. Comfort seems to have no other education past high school, which makes me wonder if one of the reasons he does what he is doing because he can’t afford to stop. It is a good thing that neither Comfort nor Cameron are female or gay " either would disqualify them from being a Calvary Chapel pastor.

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If the smart bar fly wants to fact check any of this, let him or shut the **** up.

I have personal knowledge of Calvary Chapel once having one of best friends suckered into it's fold and befriending one of his pastors. I remember having to drive that pastor to his psychiatrist's appointments. He eventually committed suicide.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 20 Nov, 2009 04:40 am
@Lightwizard,
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If the smart bar fly wants to fact check any of this, let him or shut the **** up.


I presume that vacuity is aimed at me.

Why would I wish to fact check any of that. I hold no brief for the Calvary Chapel Fellowship. I presume it is legal.

You were asked what you meant by an expression you used. I think you ought to explain what you did mean before running down a theological by-way and telling me to can it. As it stands we are left suspecting that you don't know what you meant by a "theological education" which would mean that you're speaking in tongues.

Quoting blogs and ignoring Freud is hardly scientific. There are blogs for every flavour. There's only one Freud. Rooting through blogs searching for a sitting duck doesn't impress me.
oolongteasup
 
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Reply Fri 20 Nov, 2009 06:59 am
@spendius,
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speaking in tongues


how utterly charming

what glossolalial cheek you have

and how dare you mention rooting and freud together

keep up the gooed work
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Fri 20 Nov, 2009 09:53 am
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Emory Reacts to Anti-Evolution Books
(By Alice Chen, Emory Wheel, 11/20/2009)

Nearly 200,000 copies of author Ray Comfort’s edition of Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species were distributed at the top 100 schools around the nation on Wednesday, including Emory.

The book, advertised as a new edition of Darwin’s Origin in honor of the 150th anniversary of Darwin’s original publication, features a controversial introduction by Comfort, a Christian minister and evangelist.

In a post during an online debate at the U.S. News & World Report website with National Center for Science Education (NCSE) Executive Director Eugenie Scott, Comfort wrote that his introduction to Origin was not an attack against science but rather, against “psuedoscience.”

“Is this book going to be a backward step for science, as some have maintained?” Comfort wrote in his U.S. News post. “Of course not. Science is a wonderful discipline, to which we are deeply indebted. It will, however, be a backward step for the pseudoscience of Darwinian evolution, of which there is no empirical proof.”

Darwin’s theory of evolution states that all organisms are related and come from a common ancestor, evolving gradually from ancestor to modern organism over time by way of natural selection, or the idea of “survival of the fittest,” and genetic mutations. Although the theory of evolution is still missing links, it is backed by research in molecular genetics, the fossil record, biochemical similarities between organisms and such.

Those who believe in creationism criticize evolution largely based on these missing links.

“Even 150 years later, scientists have yet to supply adequate answers to what critics claim " and Darwin himself admitted " are weaknesses of the theory,” Comfort wrote in his introduction and stated later, “Not only are these missing links still missing, but the fossil record reveals that man arrived on the scene abruptly.”

Supporters of intelligent design believe the creator of life to be the God of the Christian faith.

Comfort’s introduction publishes a number of scientists and other researchers whose quotes denounce Darwin, but according to Assistant Professor of Biology Jacobus de Roode, many quotations and much of the information Comfort cites is taken out of context.

“But how do you get from nothing to such an elaborate something if evolution must proceed through a long sequence of intermediate stages, each favored by natural selection? You can’t fly with 2 percent of a wing [...]” paleontologist, evolutionary biologist and self-proclaimed Darwinist Stephen Jay Gould is quoted as saying in the introduction.

The quote comes from Gould’s Not Necessarily a Wing and is his explanation of British zoologist George Mivart’s stance against evolution. Later in the work, Gould presents “a plausible story about thermoregulation as the original function of organs later evolved into wings,” backed up by “hard evidence to support a shift from thermoregulation to flight as a scenario for the evolution of wings,” by evolutionary biologists Joel G. Kingsolver and M.A.R. Koehl.

De Roode said that the mass distribution of Comfort’s edition of the text makes him angry.

“They made this version of the book to pass out to unknowing people who are thinking that they’re getting a copy of The Origin of Species when they’re really just advancing the creationist agenda,” de Roode said of the book, whose back cover boasts the new edition as a “higher-education edition ... for use in schools, colleges, and prestigious learning institutions.”

The introduction, de Roode said, is not only inaccurate, but also “highly offensive” to both evolutionary biologists and also to those belonging to all religions, including Christianity. He noted that Comfort ridicules Islam’s acknowledgement of the reality of sin and Hell and the possibility of escaping God’s justice.

In addition to belittling Islam and Christianity, Comfort condemns Hinduism for its belief in reincarnation and Buddhism for its denial of God’s existence.

College freshman June Lee called the book “false advertisement,” because it prefaces Origin with a creationism-based introduction that urges readers to “have faith in God,” “read the Bible daily and obey what you read” and “pass [the book] on to someone you care about.”

“I think Darwin’s rolling over in his grave right now,” Lee said.

De Roode contrasted Comfort’s introduction to Darwin’s work. While Origin is what de Roode calls “an amazing work of science,” he said that the introduction to the 150th anniversary edition miscites material and offers inaccurate information.

“It’s very bad, and it makes me really angry,” he said.

According to de Roode, supporters of the creationist theory often blame scientists for trying to “avoid the dialogue” concerning the evolution versus intelligent design debate. However, he said, Comfort and his colleagues avoided the conversation when they advertised their distribution date to be Nov. 19, but instead arrived on college campuses all over the country on Nov. 18, not giving supporters of evolution a chance to respond.

Despite the change in date, de Roode and others distributed information about evolution to students at the Dobbs University Center (DUC), such as fliers and bookmarks from the NCSE’s “Don’t Diss Darwin” campaign.

“If you have to trick people in order to get the word out, that says something about the message you’re trying to convey,” Lee said.

De Roode said that it is important for students to know the truth.

“What we’re trying to do is make students aware,” he said.

Students have been responding well, de Roode said. He said that on a college campus like Emory’s, most students are able to read Comfort’s introduction and realize its faults. Many students who visited the DUC wanted copies of the book as a souvenir because it is so “ridiculous,” de Roode said.

Whether or not he and his colleagues were going to respond to the book distribution was called into question in the beginning, according to de Roode.

“As scientists, we ask, should we respond to it or should we ignore it?” he explained, adding that they question if responding gives the intelligent design theory credit.

It was even more important to respond and show people the inaccuracy of the introduction, however, de Roode, added that the distribution of information was not just a response to the book.

“What we want to do is not only respond to the creationists, but also to celebrate the 150th anniversary of The Origin of Species,” de Roode said. “We think that Darwin deserves a much better celebration than the distribution of these misleading books.”
rosborne979
 
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Reply Fri 20 Nov, 2009 12:10 pm
@wandeljw,
Maybe the NCSE should give out free bibles with a preface by Richard Dawkins. They could donate them to poor churches who can't afford their own bibles. Wouldn't that be fun Smile
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 20 Nov, 2009 12:53 pm
@rosborne979,
Laughing Why would they really bother? "Of Pandas and People" were also donated to schools and rejected -- the schools didn't even open but one box (of course, it only takes a few minutes to clean up the puke from a book cover). It's really a cheap attempt at poisoning young minds against science where this country is beginning to lag year-by-year compared to many other countries. We're starting to increase our importing of educated scientists, technicians, et al.

It's presumptive, egotistical and foolish to write any preface to Origin when Darwin wrote his own, quote:

Curtis N. Johnson
Lewis and Clark College, Portland, OR 97219, USA

Published online: 18 January 2007
Abstract
Almost any modern reader’s first encounter with Darwin’s writing is likely to be the “Historical Sketch,” inserted by Darwin as a preface to an early edition of the Origin of Species, and having since then appeared as the preface to every edition after the second English edition. The Sketch was intended by him to serve as a short “history of opinion” on the species question before he presented his own theory in the Origin proper. But the provenance of the “Historical Sketch” is somewhat obscure. Some things are known about its production, such as when it first appeared and what changes were made to it between its first appearance in 1860 and its final form, for the fourth English edition, in 1866. But how it evolved in Darwin’s mind, why he wrote it at all, and what he thought he was accomplishing by prefacing it to the Origin remain questions that have not been carefully addressed in the scholarly literature on Darwin. I attempt to show that Darwin’s various statements about the “Historical Sketch,” made primarily to several of his correspondents between 1856 and 1860, are somewhat in conflict with one another, thus making problematic a satisfactory interpretation of how, when, and why the Sketch came to be. I also suggest some probable resolutions to the several difficulties.

Keywords abstract - Baden Powell - “big species book” - Charles Lyell - Darwin’s priority - Historical Sketch - J.D. Hooker - plagiarism - T.H. Huxley
How Darwin came to settle on the title “Historical Sketch” for the Preface to the Origin is not certain, but a guess may be ventured. When he first submitted the text to Asa Gray in February 1860 he called it simply “Preface Contributed by the Author to this American Edition” (Burkhardt et al., eds., vol. 8, 1993, p. 572; the collected correspondence is hereafter cited as CCD). In fact he had thought of it as being properly called a Preface much earlier, perhaps as early as 1856, as will be seen in what follows. It came to be called “An Historical Sketch of the Recent Progress of Opinion on the Origin of Species” only in the third English edition, April 1861. This is the title it retained thereafter, with the exception of an addition to the title in the sixth English edition, “Previously to the Publication of the First Edition of this Work” (Peckham, 1959, pp. 20, 59). The word “sketch,” on the other hand was one of two words Darwin commonly used in private correspondence to refer to the book that would later become the Origin, the other word being “Abstract,” and both signifying that Darwin thought of the work as being a resume rather than a full-fledged study (e.g., letter to J.D. Hooker, May 9 1856, CCD vol. 6 p. 106; letter to Baden Powell January 18 1860, CCD vol. 8 p. 41; letter to Lyell 25 June 1858, CCD v. 7, 1991, pp. 117"8; letter to Lyell May 1856, CCD, v. 6 p. 100). The most likely source of the title “Historical Sketch” for Darwin’s Preface is Charles Lyell’s Principles of Geology in which, beginning with the third edition (1834), Lyell added titles to his chapters, calling chapters 2"4 “Historical Sketch of the Progress of Geology” (Secord, in Lyell [1997], p. xlvii; for other uses by Lyell of this expression, cf. Porter, 1976, p. 95; idem 1982, p. 38; and Lyell, 1830 [1990], p. 30). Further parallels between Lyell’s Introduction and Darwin’s “Historical Sketch” in terms of content and strategy are suggested below.

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I'm also laughing at anyone who weasels out of a bet when realizing they are totally digging themselves a hole dipper than the last one by refusing to fact check something they already know is the truth. A shameful ruse.
 

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