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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2009 04:26 pm
@rosborne979,
ros should go down to the quack and get him to tap his kneecaps with a rubber hammer. To check out his physiological reflexes.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2009 05:17 pm
@spendius,
spendi needs to visit his psychiatrist to have him tap him on the head with a rubber mallet to see what kind of reflex he gets.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2009 05:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I tried that ci. The psycho fainted. His nurse rushed in and gave me the kiss of life.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2009 05:34 pm
@spendius,
It was so "rewarding" for you, I'm sure you're ready for a repeat performance! LOL At least your imagination is in working order!
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 29 Jun, 2009 10:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
He forgot to tell you it was a male nurse.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 04:59 am
@Lightwizard,
I wouldn't go near a dentist who had a male nurse never mind a psychiatrist. I find the very concept "male nurse" somewhat disconcerting. As I do lady surgeons or airline pilots. And lady teachers of evolution theory is plain ridiculous. Embarrassing actually.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 05:11 am
NCSE News / Anti-Evolution Actions Alert wrote:

1. Creationist teacher in Ohio sues school district
June 13th, 2009 Read more

2. Antievolution bills die in Texas
June 1st, 2009 Read more

3. Creationist board chair out in Texas
May 28th, 2009 Read more

4. Antievolution legislation in South Carolina
May 26th, 2009 Read more

5. Antievolution resolutions dead in Oklahoma
May 22nd, 2009 Read more

6. Alabama antievolution bill dies
May 15th, 2009 Read more

7. Antievolution bill dead in Missouri
May 15th, 2009 Read more

8. Florida antievolution bill dies
May 1st, 2009 Read more

9. A setback for science education in Texas
April 1st, 2009 Read more


farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 05:37 am
@rosborne979,
Ive been an NCSE member for years and , to date, Ive never EVER recd my newsletters on time, they are usually several months late. The outfit, while doing decent work, seems to be run by some ADD jackoff whose attention is easily diverted.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 05:38 am
@rosborne979,
1. What was he preaching?

2. Odd use of "died". Resurrection to follow.

3. Fair enough in a Christian state.

4. "Presumably dead".

5. See 2

6. Hardly got born.

7. "Apparently died".

8. "Flawed" standards by free vote.

9. "Wasn't pretty". Skirt not ironed?

Dear me. Shouldn't the NCSE get remedial English before they start preaching?
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 08:36 am
UK UPDATE
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There’ll be no tent for God at Camp Dawkins
(Lois Rogers, The Sunday Times, June 28, 2009)

WHEN schoolchildren break up for their summer holidays at the end of next month, India Jago, aged 12, and her brother Peter, 11, will be taking a vacation with a twist.

While their friends jet off to Spain or the Greek islands, the siblings will be hunting for imaginary unicorns in Somerset, while learning about moral philosophy. The Jagos, from Basingstoke, Hampshire, are among 24 children who will be taking part in Britain’s first summer camp for atheists.

The five-day retreat is being subsidised by Richard Dawkins, the evolutionary biologist and author of The God Delusion, and is intended to provide an alternative to faith-based summer camps normally run by the Scouts and Christian groups.

Crispian Jago, an IT consultant, is hoping the experience will enrich his two children.

“I’m very keen on not indoctrinating them with religion or creeds,” he said this weekend. “I would rather equip them with the tools to learn how to think, not what to think.”

While afternoons at the camp will involve familiar activities such as canoeing and swimming, the youngsters’ mornings will be spent debunking supernatural phenomena such as the formation of crop circles and telepathy. Even Uri Geller’s apparent ability to bend spoons with his mind will come under scrutiny.

The emphasis on critical thinking is epitomised by a test called the Invisible Unicorn Challenge. Children will be told by camp leaders that the area around their tents is inhabited by two unicorns. The activities of these creatures, of which there will be no physical evidence, will be regularly discussed by organisers, yet the children will be asked to prove that the unicorns do not exist. Anyone who manages to prove this will win a £10 note - which features an image of Charles Darwin, the father of evolutionary theory - signed by Dawkins, a former professor of the public understanding of science at Oxford University.

“The unicorns are not necessarily a metaphor for God, they are to show kids that you can’t prove a negative,” said Saman-tha Stein, who is leading next month’s camp at the Mill on the Brue outdoor activity centre close to Bruton, Somerset.

“We are not trying to bash religion, but it encourages people to believe in a lot of things for which there is no evidence.”

Stein, 23, a postgraduate psychology student from London, was inspired to work at an atheist summer camp in America after reading The God Delusion, the bestselling book that sealed Dawkins’s reputation as Britain’s most prominent non-believer. Stein is now helping to bring the US concept, called Camp Quest, to Britain as an alternative to faith-based children’s retreats.

The Scout Association, which has 500,000 members who collectively spend 2m nights camping out each year, is Britain’s biggest organiser of children’s camps. All new Scouts - whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim or from another religious background - are required to pledge to do their “duty” to their god or faith. Atheism, however, is not accounted for in this induction oath.

Christian organisations that run summer camps include the Church Pastoral Aid Society, an evangelical group, which operates 100 schemes attended by about 9,000 children.

Camp Quest was founded in America, where Bible classes and Christian retreats are widespread, by Edwin Kagin, an atheist lawyer from Kentucky.

Since launching in 1996, Camp Quest operates at six different US sites, with a new camp due to open in Florida at Christmas.

Amanda Metskas is currently supervising 71 children at a Camp Quest project in Clarkesville, Ohio. Her classes include a session called Socrates Cafe, which debates issues such as definitions of knowledge, art and justice. “We teach them that even people like Sir David Attenborough are religious sceptics,” said Metskas.

Kagin, 68, the son of a church minister, will be visiting the camp in Somerset next month.“Richard Dawkins has made a contribution towards the setting up of the camp in England, but I think now the idea has a momentum of its own,” he said.

A week-long stay at the Mill on the Brue Activity Centre normally costs more than £500, but parents who have booked their children on the Camp Quest package are paying £275. Next year Stein hopes to run atheist camps at Easter and during school half-term breaks.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 08:42 am
@wandeljw,
Whats the point of this now?
I wonder what a typical day at camp will include?
wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 08:44 am
@farmerman,
I think a typical day will include science lessons along with nature activities such as hiking and swimming.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 08:49 am
@farmerman,
Looking for old fossils.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 09:01 am
@wandeljw,
Your job, while your wife is overseas, is to go find out the camp schedule and post it for us.

These "aeyheist" camps are a little over the top,IMHO. I can see some science lessons but where does the indoctrination take place?


OK kids"Lets all say GRACE to thank our cook for all this swell food, and the agribusiness concerns that make it possible through materialism.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 09:04 am
@Lightwizard,
Naah, theres gotta be some heavy indoctrination going down. '
"Today, for crafts, we will creategimp lanyards of self absorbed isolation and pottery vessels in which to store the effluvium of the meaninglessness of our existence"
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 09:16 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Your job, while your wife is overseas, is to go find out the camp schedule and post it for us.

These "aeyheist" camps are a little over the top,IMHO. I can see some science lessons but where does the indoctrination take place?


OK kids"Lets all say GRACE to thank our cook for all this swell food, and the agribusiness concerns that make it possible through materialism.


These camps were organized by a group called Camp Quest with the slogan: "It's Beyond Belief."

Quote:
There are traditional outdoor activities...
canoeing
climbing
zip wire
high ropes...

...as well as new activities lead by enthusiastic and knowledgeable counsellors involving...
critical thinking and logical fallacies
scientific method and pseudoscience
philosophy
ethics
famous freethinkers and world religions

Children at Camp Quest are not “required” to be atheists. Camp Quest UK aims to encourage children to think for themselves and to evaluate the world critically and thus draw their own conclusions. However, parents should be aware that the camp will adopt a critical, scientific approach as opposed to a “faith-based” approach. At Camp Quest, children aren’t taught that “There is no god”. Instead, they are taught to come to their own conclusions, but more importantly, that “It’s OK not to believe in a god”.

We believe that the positive influence of Camp Quest UK will help to develop children into happy, healthy and respectful adults.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 10:01 am
@wandeljw,
It's up to the parents to look closely at the doctrine and then decide. Whether this is an agenda to push freedom of choice out is something to explore -- on the internet or by other means. Of course, there's going to be con's from the religious right making their claims (more like accusations) and the secular left. Of course, ethics is the most important thing on the roster -- looks good to me, but I don't think I could convince my niece to send her kids there (but I could be wrong).
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 12:40 pm
@wandeljw,
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A week-long stay at the Mill on the Brue Activity Centre normally costs more than £500, but parents who have booked their children on the Camp Quest package are paying £275. Next year Stein hopes to run atheist camps at Easter and during school half-term breaks.


What else can you do with an Activity Centre during a recesion except think up some gimmick?

11 and 12 year olds!! Ye Gods. Are these people mad? Bloody control freaks.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 12:47 pm
@wandeljw,
Suddenly, when you present it in that manner wandel, I am comforted that Dr Dawkins isnt allowed to hold the reigns . I can endorse those critical thinking/scientific method sessions. I just worry that Dawkins will have his hands all over the UK version. While he is a proponent of the practical side of nat selection, he can be a royal pain in the ass . He reminds me of some of the old Christian martyrs I was barraged with as a kid (the Nuns would read us stories about these martyrs from a book series called "Saints for Six Oclock", and "More Saints...'And "Still More Saints" etc). Dawkins will make stubborn sounding statements to push his aetheistic life rather than proposing the more positive "scientific Approach".
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jun, 2009 12:48 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
11 and 12 year olds!! Ye Gods. Are these people mad? Bloody control freaks.
. YEh, what do they think they are, some kind of Baptist Bible Camp?
 

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