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Latest Challenges to the Teaching of Evolution

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 19 May, 2009 05:21 pm
@Lightwizard,
You can't have two classrooms in the same school teaching opposing viewpoints.

Can you not even understand a simple thing like that?
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 09:07 am
Quote:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/5/19/1242729870882/Ida-the-missing-link-prim-001.jpg

Fossil Ida's great big family
(Colin Tudge, The Guardian, 19 May 2009)

Ida is a truly extraordinary find. The 47 million-year-old remains of a plausible human ancestor, with structural details still intact, can teach us an enormous amount. But what I really like about her is what she tells us about evolution in general, and " in this year of his bicentenary " what she tells us about Charles Darwin; and what she can tell us about our attitudes to nature and our own survival on this Earth. So many years after her death, this humble creature could help to restore a little sanity in a world that seems to have run short of it.

Yet she is not the kind of ancestor most modern evolutionary biologists would have been looking for. She is the right general kind of creature " very clearly a primate, as we are. But ­modern primates are divided into two main groups: the lemurs and bush babies on the one hand, and the monkeys and apes on the other. Zoologically speaking, human beings belong firmly among the ­monkeys and apes. The first primates probably appeared about 70m years ago. The lemur lineage and the monkey-ape-human lineage are thought to have separated soon after the dinosaurs disappeared, probably about 60m years ago. The two groups still have much in ­common, but after all that time there are ­significant differences.

Ida has much in common with lemurs and so " surely " she is ruled out of our own dynasty. But she also shares many features with monkeys. In other words she could be close to the common ancestry of both groups. The monkey-ape-human group and the lemur group may not be so very distant after all.

The discovery of the beautiful fossil primate Ida is a triumphant ­vindication of the greatest of Darwin's insights " but not, alas, the one for which he is best remembered: natural selection. ­Selection, the mechanism he proposed as the driving force of evolution, is of course important " it is one of the most important insights of modern ­humanity, with implications that extend far beyond the living world.

But the concept of natural selection, and Darwin's own presentation of it, has one very unfortunate aspect. For it is rooted in the idea of competition. All creatures are perceived to be locked in mortal combat from the time they are conceived until they finally lose the ­battle, either with each other or with their own inevitable decay.

Indeed, Darwin's Origin of ­Species by Means of Natural Selection, ­published in 1859, seemed to vindicate Tennyson's adage from 20 years ­earlier, of "nature red in tooth and claw". Herbert Spencer, in the decade after Darwin, summarised natural selection as "survival of the fittest" " a slogan ­Darwin only later adopted.

Now we have a global economy based on to-the-death competition and strong-bashes-weak, and various intellectuals make a living telling tycoons and ­politicians that this is a good thing because it is the "natural" way of the world. Of course what is natural is not necessarily good, but Darwin's notions are taken nonetheless as a bedrock justification for universal viciousness. Darwin was a humanitarian, and in some ways deeply religious, so this, surely, is not what he would have wanted.

But Darwin's conception of evolution had another thread to it " altogether more cheerful, but nowadays less prominent. For he also suggested that if evolution is a fact then " whether or not natural selection is the principal mechanism " all creatures might trace their ancestry back until they find that they derived from the same common ancestor.

In other words, all creatures now on Earth are literally related, one to another. We are closest to African apes, but only slightly less distanced from monkeys, and slightly further from lemurs. But we are also related, albeit more and more distantly, to mice and fish and beetles and mushrooms and oak trees and so on, outwards to the humblest bacterium.

Some people find this idea distasteful. Many don't want to be related to chimps, let alone snails. Some religious people find it blasphemous. But many do not. St Francis, often considered as the saint who was closest in spirit to Christ, spoke of the other animals and plants as his brothers and sisters. It is this that Darwin's idea " and now Ida " truly vindicates.

In this vision, Ida sits at the cusp. Miraculously preserved though she is, she may look to the untrained eye like a roadkill squirrel, and she belongs to a time " 47m years ago " too remote to contemplate. Yet the details of her skeleton proclaim her human affinity. She is indeed a "link", not only with our own ancestors but with all the rest of the living world " indeed to all the creatures that have ever lived on this Earth.

These days lip service is paid to the idea of conservation. "Biodiversity" is dimly supposed to be a good thing because it represents a "resource". It is also thought that some creatures and ecosystems are proving more useful than suspected " like tropical forest, which moderates the world's climate.

At best, though, other species impinge on conventional politics only insofar as they are commodities. What isn't useful is irrelevant, or even a "pest", to be destroyed at all costs. Perhaps if we once admit in Franciscan and Darwinian vein that the creatures we so insouciantly brush aside are our relatives, we would treat them differently. And that would be good for every living creature on this planet.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 09:19 am
@wandeljw,
Another transitional fossil... will the stabs to the heart of creationism never cease?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 09:37 am
You know the IDiots will find some other false answer as each fossil is discovered, including that they are faked. They have evolved with a gene that gives them an intolerant brain and it won't allow anything to question the egoism of their phony theory. In one word, conservatives.

http://www.colintudge.com/
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 09:38 am
@wandeljw,
your job, in the name of science, is to try to find the exact "intermediates" that IDA displays. what are her attributes that display lemurian v simian attaxhments. I think we will be swimming within the flyshit and pepper pile.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 10:41 am
@Lightwizard,
Their fear is that their claim of "no intermediates" of the fossil record will be their downfall. Their life depends on their poof god.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 11:15 am
@farmerman,
Farmerman: There is already a complete paleontology report available on the Public Library of Science website:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0005723

Quote:
Complete Primate Skeleton from the Middle Eocene of Messel in Germany: Morphology and Paleobiology

Citation: Franzen JL, Gingerich PD, Habersetzer J, Hurum JH, von Koenigswald W, et al. (2009) Complete Primate Skeleton from the Middle Eocene of Messel in Germany: Morphology and Paleobiology. PLoS ONE 4(5): e5723. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0005723

Received: March 19, 2009; Accepted: May 12, 2009; Published: May 19, 2009


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Conclusions
We can now document the history of an extraordinary fossil, here named Darwinius masillae. Its two parts, although split by private collectors and dispersed to two continents, are virtually reunited here 26 years after discovery. The fossil, including an entire soft body outline (preserved in the Oslo specimen) as well as contents of the digestive tract (investigated in the Wyoming specimen), documents paleobiology and morphology of an extinct early primate from the Eocene of Germany.

After comparative study, we conclude that the Darwinius holotype was a juvenile female, weaned and feeding independently on fruit and leaves in the middle floor of early Middle Eocene rain forest of Messel. She may have been nocturnal. She moved as an agile, nail bearing arboreal quadruped and, although perhaps only 60 percent of adult weight at death (Fig. 12), would have grown to be the size of an adult female Hapalemur, in the range of 650"900 g. Her pattern of tooth development shows that her species grew up fairly quickly and suggests that she died before one year of age.

Darwinius masillae is now the third primate species from the Messel locality that belongs to the cercamoniine adapiforms, in addition to Europolemur koenigswaldi and E. kelleri. Darwinius masillae is unrelated to Godinotia neglecta from Geiseltal, which was much more slenderly built. Darwinius and Godinotia neglecta are similar, however, in the degree of reduction of their antemolar dentition. Morphological characteristics preserved in Darwinius masillae enable a rigorous comparison with the two principal subdivisions of living primates: Strepsirrhini and Haplorhini. Defining characters of Darwinius ally it with early haplorhines rather than strepsirrhines. We do not interpret Darwinius as anthropoid, but the adapoid primates it represents deserve more careful comparison with higher primates than they have received in the past.

Darwinius masillae is important in being exceptionally well preserved and providing a much more complete understanding of the paleobiology of an Eocene primate than was available in the past.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 11:20 am
@cicerone imposter,
I wrote this on May 15:

Quote:
Re: wandeljw (Post 3651749)
revel, There are some things us humans will probably never know; it's simply because there aren't the "body of evidence" left over from millions of years ago that we have been able to find. However, we don't have to give up total hope, because science is always advancing, and we're finding more evidence in this world where science has only begun to learn how to look for them. Scientists are even able to determine climate change of our planet from the glaciers in antarctica; something we humans were unable to do until recent times (past 50 years).

Scientists are learning to look at locations previously ignored, and almost every year, a new discovery is made.

I find it amazing that man was able to determine the distance of stars and galaxies - first estimated at hundreds of thousands of light years away. Now, we are able to "look" at galaxies millions of light years away.

When god said "let there be light," he knew not what he was saying.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 03:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Thanks ci. I hadn't realised how jolly interesting and informative that post was last week.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 04:23 pm
@wandeljw,
QWell Hell, They listed 30 distinguishing characteristics but the print was so damn small I couldnt read it. Ill have to ask someone who follows this kind of info.

from the teeth though , I cannot see any distinguishing characteristics for the "flattened incisors". look pretty much like a saber toothed monkey, check it out,    http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0005723.g003&representation=PNG_M

AlSO, the article stated that the specimen was "lightly crushed" is that oxymoronity in science?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 04:30 pm
@farmerman,
Comical at best.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 05:24 pm
@farmerman,
I like my ice lightly crushed but that's because I like ice cubes.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 20 May, 2009 05:30 pm
@Lightwizard,
It's just the last faint echoes of the servant business LW.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2009 07:52 am
@farmerman,
Obviously the Ida specimen was placed there by Satan to confuse us. Note how cunningly similar the xrays are to actual dentition.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2009 08:09 am
@rosborne979,
If there's a million smackeroonies up for grabs you can be pretty sure Satanic forces are in play. Not certain of course. Just pretty damn sure.

Everubody knows what to be certain about.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2009 02:33 pm
@spendius,
QUAFF till you QUEEF.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2009 03:16 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

QUAFF till you QUEEF.
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That ain't what Huxley used.
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panzade
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2009 03:28 pm
@rosborne979,
Laughing
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2009 03:38 pm
@farmerman,
It does make it difficult to clear the air around here.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 21 May, 2009 04:54 pm
@Lightwizard,
Thank goodness for that eh? What would you do if everything was clear and concise?
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